Speiros 2017-02-27 13:45:27
gry I understand man, but when a man has a restriction in place, and DOES fix their attitude, is it not a decision between the admin/staff/ops and the individuals concerned? I agree not to encourage spammers, as I won't tolerate it either, or people who attack others..
amnet 2017-02-27 13:45:46
Speiros: Well, no.
amnet 2017-02-27 13:45:54
See, admins of every variety are lazy.
dax 2017-02-27 13:45:59
starrify: I do not recall this conversation, sorry
amnet 2017-02-27 13:46:11
In this instance, freenode likes to use expiring bans and quiets.
starrify 2017-02-27 13:46:13
k nvm
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:46:17
amnet I don't agree man. lol I was admin for a certain company, and I worked day and night man.
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:46:33
Mind you, I loved it too.
amnet 2017-02-27 13:46:39
So when a ban or quiet expires, there's no guarantee the user actually had any kind of agreement with the ops to behave.
gry 2017-02-27 13:46:44
Speiros: i think as this person was disruptive yesterday, and just got unquieted, watching them without engaging into a conversation is probably a good idea. following this good idea doesn't require staff permission
lambdafan 2017-02-27 13:47:09
hi, can I speak with a staff memer to get a cloak?
gry 2017-02-27 13:47:14
Speiros: after a while of watching, in this case you'll (alas) find that they're going back to where they were 20 mins ago
gry 2017-02-27 13:47:32
Speiros: with like 99% probability
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:47:47
amnet gry This is true, but to not speak to them, and "extend" their ban, I don't agree with on principle. I do on the other hand agree that as evidence becomes available that one hasn't changed something that needed fixing, then further restrictions need to be imposed.
amnet 2017-02-27 13:47:56
You also don't need permission to talk to them.
dax 2017-02-27 13:48:10
lambdafan: cloak done
gry 2017-02-27 13:48:15
Speiros: you're free to make your own judgment. I shared mine. it's not obligatory
lambdafan 2017-02-27 13:48:35
thanks dax :)
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:48:39
gry Appreciate the input, and I'm alert to new parameters.
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:48:49
amnet true too.
gry 2017-02-27 13:48:53
Speiros: it is particularly useful to make such judgments actively as there are times when this channel is unattended. so even if someone is not quieted, deciding to not talk with them may become useful
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:49:04
gry agreed.
amnet 2017-02-27 13:49:11
Speiros: Right, so gry is netiquetteing to the choir and you have experience seeing people behave.
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:49:43
gry I just didn't see it, whereas that guy pornpornpornporn, by default, automatically means "I am here to disrupt"
gry 2017-02-27 13:49:59
amnet: if you're saying that "gry agrees that everything gry said is garbage and that troll will behave now", I disagree. if not, please rephrase
gry 2017-02-27 13:50:12
Speiros: yes, thanks
gry 2017-02-27 13:50:32
Speiros: being able to judge when the nick doesn't speak for itself is also a wonderful thing to do
amnet 2017-02-27 13:50:38
gry: No. I'd rephrase but the message wasn't directed at you.
Antares 2017-02-27 13:52:27
gry, Hi
gry 2017-02-27 13:52:52
amnet: ok, thanks
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 13:53:29
_god_, o you get pm
emerson 2017-02-27 13:53:44
s/v
Antares 2017-02-27 13:53:44
:(
gry 2017-02-27 13:53:51
Antares: hello?
gry 2017-02-27 13:53:55
Antares: can i help you?
Antares 2017-02-27 13:54:01
yes hello
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:54:19
gry That is true too man. Still, I can't uphold a restriction on a person who 1) I don't have authority to do such to, and 2) has, by the authorities, been given a temporary restriction. Still, knowing they were disruptive means I can be aware, and defend my room if required, and alerted to the perspective that the person may be disruptive, although I haven't personally seen it...which is important to know too.
_god_ 2017-02-27 13:54:54
_aEvl_, ?
amnet 2017-02-27 13:54:55
Speiros: Disagree on that last part.
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:54:57
In here, if a person is being rude, or other things, I will, and do (generally) choose to ignore them.
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:55:04
amnet fair enough.
amnet 2017-02-27 13:55:08
It's not important to know if someone's disrupting a channel that's unrelated.
amnet 2017-02-27 13:55:22
Someone can choose to be a dick in one place and jovial in another.
emerson 2017-02-27 13:55:23
hi. can we move on from this please
emerson 2017-02-27 13:55:30
it's going in circles
gry 2017-02-27 13:55:31
Speiros: you can stop talking with me if you don't like me. you have an authority to do so because the conversation takes away your time and is a part of your life
emerson 2017-02-27 13:55:39
or maybe spheres at this point
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:55:40
gry I do like you man.
LOS 2017-02-27 13:55:46
so how about that global warming Mr emerson
_god_ 2017-02-27 13:55:46
/ingore gry
gry 2017-02-27 13:55:52
yay _god_
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:56:00
gry I just disagree, and am shuffling the 0 with the 1 to find my base.
amnet 2017-02-27 13:56:01
emerson: Spheres for sure.
LOS 2017-02-27 13:56:13
had any good hotdogs lately?
gry 2017-02-27 13:57:08
Speiros: no worries; i believe i addressed both your points, and you chose to disagree, so so be it :)
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 13:57:43
_god_, i sent you a pm
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 13:58:20
d like to attempt this, but im not 100% sure how to do it the wy the site says to
SquadGoals 2017-02-27 13:59:15
whattup nerds :^)
LOS 2017-02-27 13:59:27
nothing
SquadGoals 2017-02-27 13:59:27
im gay
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:59:33
gry All good. I disagree with some parts, and agree with others. I also appreciate being informed:)
LOS 2017-02-27 13:59:33
I figured
LOS 2017-02-27 14:00:01
with that lame ass handle there's no way you could not be a fag squadgoals
bazhang 2017-02-27 14:01:21
why not find some network other than this one
LOS 2017-02-27 14:01:57
there can be only one bazhang
amnet 2017-02-27 14:02:31
Not if we fudge the implementation of the spec hard enough!
LOS 2017-02-27 14:04:00
lol amnet
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:04:27
lol
LOS 2017-02-27 14:04:28
also there are tons of other Irc servers out there bazhang.
amnet 2017-02-27 14:04:37
>servers
amnet 2017-02-27 14:04:43
The pain...
LOS 2017-02-27 14:04:44
just look for one and connect to it
LOS 2017-02-27 14:04:54
ouch ouch ouch
LOS 2017-02-27 14:04:57
ouch.....
LOS 2017-02-27 14:05:05
wait.... what pain?
amnet 2017-02-27 14:05:57
ryonaloli: Is this what lexicon-related pain feels like for you?
Anarcho 2017-02-27 14:07:57
hello, I joined my ban list with another channel
Anarcho 2017-02-27 14:08:00
because my list was full
Anarcho 2017-02-27 14:08:05
I'm not OP in that channel though, now that I returned to it
Anarcho 2017-02-27 14:08:16
how can I OP in it or register a new channel for bans?
amnet 2017-02-27 14:08:44
Channels are created by /join, registered by ChanServ.
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:09:23
Anarcho When you say you're not op in it, does it mean that you signed out and went back in, or something else?
amnet 2017-02-27 14:11:14
Speiros: Please provide only a bare minimum of help to ban-happy Anarcho-*ists.
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:11:39
amnet I don't get it.
dax 2017-02-27 14:12:17
Anarcho: /msg chanserv op ##channelnamehere
amnet 2017-02-27 14:12:29
It's not an oxymoron, but it's pretty damn close if you think about it.
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:17:38
gry So I found a use for the TAXONOMY flag
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:18:12
gry As it was meta for people to find out info about the room, I added subject matter, and highlighted the majority of the rules.
gry 2017-02-27 14:18:53
putting rules into taxonomy is kind of useful for users without a web browser
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:19:11
gry The other guidelines, which are general, are on that link you gave me. It works well.
amnet 2017-02-27 14:19:54
gry: Those used to be called users.
Anarcho 2017-02-27 14:20:02
thanks @dax
Anarcho 2017-02-27 14:20:04
and all
gry 2017-02-27 14:20:43
amnet: you're hard to understand; you may want to adjust your writing style to be more direct and less metaphorical so that it is understood
amnet 2017-02-27 14:21:13
Eh, I'm literal enough as it is.
gry 2017-02-27 14:21:20
amnet: so far I can only guess "the people without a web browser are not even proper users" and I am not at all sure if that's the desired meaning or not; if it was, it would be a bit irrelevant
amnet 2017-02-27 14:22:13
It's more than pandering to IRC users means giving them the information they need without forcing them to switch protocols.
gry 2017-02-27 14:22:26
amnet: given that I had spent last two hours bashing someone who's asking for help but not very listening, being even more literal would be useful; I'm too tired to guess things already
amnet 2017-02-27 14:22:42
It's like browsing a website and getting dropping into an IRC terminal without your client sending an Upgrade header.
gry 2017-02-27 14:22:49
I don't know what "pandering" means
gry 2017-02-27 14:23:22
many people in this channel are a foreigner, and complex (read: 6yo level) vocabulary is confusing for them
amnet 2017-02-27 14:23:52
s/than/that
gry 2017-02-27 14:23:58
when I was 18 and studied for a ESL test for a uni, a vocabulary site assessed my vocab as that of a UK 5yo
amnet 2017-02-27 14:24:10
Ouch.
gry 2017-02-27 14:24:14
primarily because I couldn't get emotion-related adjectives right
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:24:18
gry Where is your origin?
gry 2017-02-27 14:24:25
I could do lots of academic level things, but I didn't know what "grumpy" stood for
amnet 2017-02-27 14:24:26
Ahhh.
duckgoose 2017-02-27 14:24:32
are you an aspie
gry 2017-02-27 14:24:37
and I still don't know lots of things which everyone else would find trivial
duckgoose 2017-02-27 14:24:38
JW
gry 2017-02-27 14:24:41
no, I'm just a foreigner
duckgoose 2017-02-27 14:24:45
IC
gry 2017-02-27 14:24:55
my first language is Russian
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:25:02
gry Nice.
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:26:16
I find some conversations are like sideband on a radio...
gry 2017-02-27 14:26:22
so "users" implied "users without a web browser" by default at some point in ancient history. that's OK. I get you. I head out now. thanks and have a nice day
amnet 2017-02-27 14:26:49
Aye. Cya.
weathercenter 2017-02-27 14:27:05
Hello Freenode Admin! Could someone please set me up with a kewl vhost/cloke?
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:27:22
Slightly tangential to what each perceived the other to mean
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:27:28
Take care gry.
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:28:09
I think I communicate in sideband many times.
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:28:13
lol
amnet 2017-02-27 14:28:19
Not that I've seen.
weathercenter 2017-02-27 14:28:37
Speiros: Are you a Ham Radio Op?
dax 2017-02-27 14:28:49
It has been my experience on freenode that empty vessels make the most pretentious noises.
dax 2017-02-27 14:28:51
weathercenter: looking, sec
dax 2017-02-27 14:29:03
oh, someone beat me to it :)
weathercenter 2017-02-27 14:29:03
dax: Thanks!
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:29:05
weathercenter No, but I have a little tiny bit of education on it.
emerson 2017-02-27 14:29:07
weathercenter: cloaked you
emerson 2017-02-27 14:29:13
oh, sorry dax
weathercenter 2017-02-27 14:29:17
Thanks emerson!
dax 2017-02-27 14:29:18
no worries
amnet 2017-02-27 14:29:20
dax: Can confirm that extends beyond freenode.
emerson 2017-02-27 14:29:28
weathercenter: you're welcome :)
dax 2017-02-27 14:29:34
i rather expect it would
amnet 2017-02-27 14:30:04
Two cloaks for the price of one!
weathercenter 2017-02-27 14:30:59
What is the chance of getting a cloke of... @hamradio/weathercenter ?
duckgoose 2017-02-27 14:31:11
0
thumbs 2017-02-27 14:32:20
weathercenter: you'd have to register a group called 'hamradio' and represent an on-topic project or group by that name.
thumbs 2017-02-27 14:32:37
given the nature of hamradio, that isn't really possibly.
thumbs 2017-02-27 14:32:40
*possible
weathercenter 2017-02-27 14:32:48
thumbs: I wouldn't know how to do that.
weathercenter 2017-02-27 14:32:56
thumbs: Thanks anyway.
duckgoose 2017-02-27 14:33:00
tl;dr no
amnet 2017-02-27 14:34:38
thumbs: How can you deny the peer-directedness of ham radio?
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:34:44
duckgoose What is aspie, or JW? I presume IC is I see, yes?
duckgoose 2017-02-27 14:34:58
yes
emma_ 2017-02-27 14:35:05
amnet: because apache is httpd not apache.
duckgoose 2017-02-27 14:35:32
jw just wondering, aspie person with Asperger's
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:35:39
Ah.
thumbs 2017-02-27 14:35:52
amnet: how can someone represent hamradio?
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:36:21
thumbs Too many squeals?
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:36:26
:D
thumbs 2017-02-27 14:37:07
Speiros: huh?
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:37:13
ham
amnet 2017-02-27 14:37:27
thumbs: By operating one.
thumbs 2017-02-27 14:37:40
amnet: no, that's not what an on-topic group or project means.
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:37:41
thumbs I was just thinking of what "Babe" would be listening to.
amnet 2017-02-27 14:37:41
Free cloaks to ham radio operators!
thumbs 2017-02-27 14:38:35
amnet: freenode is a network dedicated to help FOSS and peer directed projects
thumbs 2017-02-27 14:38:57
amnet: a group "about" hamradio already has a home in the ##hamradio channel
amnet 2017-02-27 14:39:32
Honorary cloaks for ##hamradio operators!
thumbs 2017-02-27 14:39:54
affiliated cloaks are available for groups and projects in the primary namespace.
enchi 2017-02-27 14:40:13
Speiros: so you'd prefer a spam radio?
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:40:37
enchi Isn't that what happened when it went digital?
enchi 2017-02-27 14:40:42
lol
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:40:54
lol
cc 2017-02-27 14:41:34
it's long time no see uptime
amnet 2017-02-27 14:41:36
thumbs: I can push this as far as honorary namespace recognition for the inherent peer-directedness of ham radio, but the joke dies there.
cc 2017-02-27 14:42:08
i hope he's everything is ok
thumbs 2017-02-27 14:42:49
amnet: I don't think it was ever funny, to be honest.
u_u 2017-02-27 14:42:59
the joke never dies
amnet 2017-02-27 14:43:03
Not all jokes are funny.
u_u 2017-02-27 14:43:26
you mean like the killing joke
u_u 2017-02-27 14:43:29
?
weathercenter 2017-02-27 14:43:36
emerson: Is it possible to get a nickname that hasn't been used for over a year and it was only used that day?
amnet 2017-02-27 14:43:37
!g antihumor
emerson 2017-02-27 14:43:59
weathercenter: sure, /nick to it
emerson 2017-02-27 14:44:06
and i'll check
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:44:18
lol
Nimbostratus 2017-02-27 14:44:26
It's asking me to identify.
emerson 2017-02-27 14:44:39
Nimbostratus: you can group it now
cc 2017-02-27 14:44:44
emerson: except single letter nick
emerson 2017-02-27 14:44:50
cc: hm?
cc 2017-02-27 14:44:53
hmm
u_u 2017-02-27 14:45:04
hm
cc 2017-02-27 14:45:07
it's staff nick
