Y1TZ 2017-02-27 12:45:16
Speiros: i have no intention of giving them any money or info
Y1TZ 2017-02-27 12:45:41
Speiros: but i'd think freenode staff would want to shut them down before they do successfully steal someone's identity
Huiescu 2017-02-27 12:46:44
hey
Speiros 2017-02-27 12:46:47
I agree, but some transactions do happen legally I read somewhere.
Y1TZ 2017-02-27 12:48:15
anyway channel founder is offline and i dont have nickserv account so no memoserv either
Y1TZ 2017-02-27 12:48:41
the channel looks like it might just be a scam cult of some sort, preying on the weak and horny
Y1TZ 2017-02-27 12:49:03
its called ##bdsmcommunity in case the staff want to investigate further
yitz 2017-02-27 12:49:14
Oh, look. Someone impersonating me
felco 2017-02-27 12:49:15
I'm not sure but, maybe a channel offers pro support so they can do something like that
Y1TZ 2017-02-27 12:49:34
yitz: no
yitz 2017-02-27 12:49:37
No?
Y1TZ 2017-02-27 12:49:40
someone accusing you of some seirous shit
amnet 2017-02-27 12:49:41
>pro support
amnet 2017-02-27 12:49:44
>IRC channel
Speiros 2017-02-27 12:49:45
Y1TZ It sounds like they want to whip you either way:)
Y1TZ 2017-02-27 12:49:46
i am not sending you the $8
yitz 2017-02-27 12:50:03
You're just evading k-lines and bans
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 12:50:38
lol Speiros
Guest 2017-02-27 12:51:04
ok, so my nick just got changed to Guest from jcmoods
Guest 2017-02-27 12:51:12
here's the nickserv log: https://gist.github.com/jcm93/132b8d116824d2caff2cfe0a3f935667
felco 2017-02-27 12:51:48
Why ppl don't use CertFP
amnet 2017-02-27 12:52:40
Because my client sucks.
felco 2017-02-27 12:52:56
Even mIRC support it
Guest 2017-02-27 12:53:01
is there a way to check who i'm currently identified as?
amnet 2017-02-27 12:53:06
mIRC is an actual IRC client.
emerson 2017-02-27 12:53:06
Guest: /whois
amnet 2017-02-27 12:53:07
Mine isn't.
felco 2017-02-27 12:53:30
Oh... haha, like some crafted IRC Client there
Guest 2017-02-27 12:53:40
so it says i'm logged in as my nick (jcmoods), but...my nick got changed to Guest, for some reason
felco 2017-02-27 12:54:31
amnet what OS you are using?
emerson 2017-02-27 12:54:34
that's odd
amnet 2017-02-27 12:54:42
Why?
emerson 2017-02-27 12:54:43
what happens if you change it back
dax 2017-02-27 12:54:44
emerson: it's Textual + ZNC, my guess would be ZNC
emerson 2017-02-27 12:54:53
probably
Guest 2017-02-27 12:55:02
changing it back to jcmoods works, that's what i've been doing
felco 2017-02-27 12:55:03
I don't know just curious about it
Guest 2017-02-27 12:55:24
but it happens periodically. i'm mostly curious about what is actually going on here
amnet 2017-02-27 12:55:32
Something proprietary.
Guest 2017-02-27 12:55:48
i assume changing my password or connecting over SSL would fix things, but why is this even happening?
emerson 2017-02-27 12:55:49
did you check all the modules or whatever znc calls them
emerson 2017-02-27 12:56:00
it's not something the server does
felco 2017-02-27 12:56:05
That can be MacOS, Solares or Windows :p
Plushwolf 2017-02-27 12:57:24
Hey
amnet 2017-02-27 12:57:26
Well it rules out IPoPotatogram anyway.
Guest 2017-02-27 12:57:38
i'm using the znc module that does automatic nickserv identification...
Speiros 2017-02-27 12:57:43
Hi Plushwolf :)
Plushwolf 2017-02-27 12:57:44
A few random peoples are annoying and insulting me in a channel ... can someone help me?
c4757p 2017-02-27 12:57:56
...
amnet 2017-02-27 12:57:58
Plushwolf: Are you op?
Plushwolf 2017-02-27 12:58:02
bo
Plushwolf 2017-02-27 12:58:04
no
bazhang 2017-02-27 12:58:08
use ignore Plushwolf
NightTrain 2017-02-27 12:58:10
Ignore works well.
amnet 2017-02-27 12:58:12
Is an op present?
Plushwolf 2017-02-27 12:58:20
I did, but they keep joining with multiple nicks
felco 2017-02-27 12:58:29
I didn't get it but that's cool
amnet 2017-02-27 12:58:47
felco: Shark Tank reference.
felco 2017-02-27 12:59:31
I don't know what that is, sorry XD
Plushwolf 2017-02-27 12:59:37
Hmm :(
dax 2017-02-27 12:59:39
Guest: unload it and use the SASL module instead
dax 2017-02-27 12:59:57
http://wiki.znc.in/Sasl
dax 2017-02-27 13:00:05
SASL > automated /nickserv shenannigans
amnet 2017-02-27 13:00:12
Plushwolf: Is an op present in the channel?
Plushwolf 2017-02-27 13:00:23
yes, but seems to be away
Guest 2017-02-27 13:00:32
roger
amnet 2017-02-27 13:00:51
Is there only one op or are they all away?
gry 2017-02-27 13:01:06
dax is around; you may query him for help
dax 2017-02-27 13:01:08
if it still happens after unloading nickserv-y stuff other than sasl, i'd probably drop by #znc and see if they have any thoughts
dax 2017-02-27 13:01:19
dax is at work, so you can query me all you want but there's a good chance i won't answer
gry 2017-02-27 13:01:33
yep depends on how well you ask i guess :)
dax 2017-02-27 13:01:47
no, depends on how simple it is. i'm not gonna go handle channel drama rn
amnet 2017-02-27 13:02:42
Opers shouldn't ever handle channel drama.
bitch 2017-02-27 13:03:17
RIP irccloud
Selavi 2017-02-27 13:03:33
nah, looks like wilhelm
amnet 2017-02-27 13:04:42
Plushwolf: Are any of the ops on that channel active?
Plushwolf 2017-02-27 13:05:11
amnet: no
amnet 2017-02-27 13:05:26
Is the channel relevant to your interests?
Plushwolf 2017-02-27 13:05:37
amnet: maybe
gry 2017-02-27 13:05:49
did you mention the channel name? i could try to message each op on the list by hand
amnet 2017-02-27 13:05:59
Is the user discussing things that are relevant to their the channel or your interests?
amnet 2017-02-27 13:06:23
s/their/either
setham 2017-02-27 13:07:50
Hello, may I please get an unaffiliated cloack? thanks
setham 2017-02-27 13:07:53
*cloak
elky 2017-02-27 13:08:03
amnet: staff generally don't handle channel drama beyond coaching people how to look for the right people
emerson 2017-02-27 13:08:31
setham: it won't show when you're using irccloud
setham 2017-02-27 13:08:39
I understand
setham 2017-02-27 13:08:46
I need it at a different time
amnet 2017-02-27 13:08:46
elky: Staff doesn't always imply oper.
emerson 2017-02-27 13:08:52
setham: cloaked you then
setham 2017-02-27 13:09:42
Any additional action on my side?
emerson 2017-02-27 13:09:47
nope
setham 2017-02-27 13:09:49
Txs
setham 2017-02-27 13:09:51
a lot
emerson 2017-02-27 13:09:58
you're welcome
amnet 2017-02-27 13:10:02
setham: It'll only apply when you log in.
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:10:06
setham maybe a couple of poses for the camera in your new cloak:)
setham 2017-02-27 13:10:24
Txs
gry 2017-02-27 13:10:30
amnet: all staff member have an oper block (different kind of access for some, but, for instance, any staff member can show up on /stats p)
amnet 2017-02-27 13:10:57
gry: I mean as a category.
gry 2017-02-27 13:11:39
amnet: what's up with the category? sorry if i'm interrupting a conversation legible for you two, but i don't get your point at all
setham 2017-02-27 13:12:03
Wait a sec and I'll post at someday.com
amnet 2017-02-27 13:12:05
In pre-split IRC, network operators should only ever need to oper up for the sake of appointing a channel operator.
setham 2017-02-27 13:12:19
@Speiros ^ :-)
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:12:43
lol Ah, I didn't realise that was meant for me mate setham:)
dax 2017-02-27 13:12:53
amnet: on freenode, staff are +o (opered) all the time. the behavior you're referring to (temporary escalation for overriding modes) is +p (oper:override)
setham 2017-02-27 13:13:04
:-)
amnet 2017-02-27 13:13:48
In multi-network IRC, operators of the network don't even need to do that because Services let people oper up.
dax 2017-02-27 13:13:49
and in general: IRC daemons vary a lot on how oper-specific (and non-oper-specific, but eh) behavior works
dax 2017-02-27 13:14:13
so whatever experience you might have elsewhere probably does not cleanly translate to sane statements here
amnet 2017-02-27 13:14:45
I just mean in principle.
amnet 2017-02-27 13:15:05
If it's not keeping the network running, it's not acting as an operator.
elky 2017-02-27 13:15:07
those also vary between networks.
emerson 2017-02-27 13:15:21
in principle i'm not sure why this conversation is still ongoing
emerson 2017-02-27 13:15:30
since there doesn't seem to be a point
dax 2017-02-27 13:15:30
oh, you
dax 2017-02-27 13:15:33
emerson: yeah, I'm done with it
emerson 2017-02-27 13:15:39
:p
amnet 2017-02-27 13:15:46
emerson: gry asked.
emerson 2017-02-27 13:16:10
and you answered
gry 2017-02-27 13:16:14
emerson: i reacted to amnet's line of "Staff doesn't always imply oper." in response to elky's "staff generally don't handle channel drama beyond coaching people how to look for the right people"
dax 2017-02-27 13:16:35
i mean why would elky know what opers do amirite
emerson 2017-02-27 13:17:03
gry: right, which was fine, it just kept dragging on
gry 2017-02-27 13:17:14
amnet: what elky meant is staff can help channel ops how to administer their channel technically, and may share some advice about the chanop hiring process. staff entering channels and opping themselves via override is not a part of that picture
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:17:29
Hi laowai
amnet 2017-02-27 13:17:36
Plushwolf: It doesn't seem like your problem is ongoing so I'm just gonna wait for a chanop to handle it.
gry 2017-02-27 13:17:43
emerson: I think it kind of dragged on because of the vocabulary involved (and gry being a bit slow)
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 13:18:17
lol
elky 2017-02-27 13:18:20
i don't think we need a detailed postmortem
gry 2017-02-27 13:18:21
Speiros: it would be better if we didn't pay attention to laowai entering; he's a long way from being forward-going as far as this channel focus is concerned
gry 2017-02-27 13:18:28
elky: yes
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:19:07
gry I don't understand. He hasn't been rude to me. Has he been disruptive somewhere?
gry 2017-02-27 13:19:16
Speiros: yes, here, very recently
thumbs 2017-02-27 13:19:20
Speiros: plus he's quieted so he can't respond to you.
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:19:28
gry Interesting. Ok, thanks for letting me know
gry 2017-02-27 13:19:37
Speiros: no worries
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:19:40
thanks too thumbs
jcmoods 2017-02-27 13:26:15
hopefully all is resolved now
LOS 2017-02-27 13:26:41
what is jcmoods
LOS 2017-02-27 13:27:06
cuz I was having trouble getting on here for like almost half an hour
jcmoods 2017-02-27 13:27:26
oh, i was having some znc trouble, my nick kept changing on me
jcmoods 2017-02-27 13:27:30
earlier
LOS 2017-02-27 13:28:03
oh.. okay. I was just having connection time out issues.
jcmoods 2017-02-27 13:28:35
yeah, it did take me a minute to reconnect to freenode when i started up znc...i figured it was just normal connection load issues
LOS 2017-02-27 13:28:47
just wondering if you were having the same issue I was
amnet 2017-02-27 13:29:02
Normal load issues don't involve connection delays.
LOS 2017-02-27 13:29:26
I thought so too till it took me almost thirty mins to Connect
emerson 2017-02-27 13:29:36
LOS: our DNS is a bit screwed up right now
jcmoods 2017-02-27 13:29:40
i had about a 4 minute delay between when i connected to znc and znc connected to freenode
emerson 2017-02-27 13:29:53
so possible you got the wrong ip address
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:31:28
I ended up using the taxonomy for a place to put a decent channel explanation.
LOS 2017-02-27 13:31:34
oh okay. thanks for letting me know Mr Emerson.
wtf-honey 2017-02-27 13:31:50
may i ask why this quiet is being removed? * eir removes quiet on *!*@61.158.152.*
gry 2017-02-27 13:31:59
it expired
wtf-honey 2017-02-27 13:32:08
its laowai ffs
LOS 2017-02-27 13:32:17
and?
laowai 2017-02-27 13:32:20
wad?!
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:32:21
gry It came in useful afterall.
wtf-honey 2017-02-27 13:32:27
well wtf.
wtf-honey 2017-02-27 13:32:32
round and round we go.
laowai 2017-02-27 13:32:34
Speiros: good morning
cc 2017-02-27 13:32:40
nice weather,good morning everyone,have a nice day
wtf-honey 2017-02-27 13:33:13
laowai, i guess we'll do this my way.
gry 2017-02-27 13:33:19
wtf-honey: please be patient; if he wants to use this rope to hang himself he is tree to do so
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:33:20
laowai Hi, but I can't support the breaking of peace issue man. That needs to be fixed mate.
wtf-honey 2017-02-27 13:33:42
i dont use trees. lol
gry 2017-02-27 13:33:46
Speiros: please do not converse with him, it will work badly both for you and for him and for the channel
wtf-honey 2017-02-27 13:34:04
lol badly for me?
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:34:17
wtf-honey Not for you.
amnet 2017-02-27 13:34:21
Don't troll trolls.
_god_ 2017-02-27 13:34:39
what about trolling the troll trollers?
laowai 2017-02-27 13:34:39
wtf-honey: time to move on, ##chat for dramas
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 13:35:00
_god_, lol
_god_ 2017-02-27 13:35:04
huh this will be fun
_god_ 2017-02-27 13:35:18
I have lawoi muted
_god_ 2017-02-27 13:35:58
along with FNDA
jaeckel__ 2017-02-27 13:36:12
ΓΌ
asdf373636 2017-02-27 13:36:33
Reddit trolls seem to be an inferior breed
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:36:41
Without wanting to appear troublesome, why would me talking to someone cause me dramas, if I'm not doing anything wrong?
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:36:55
Or, rather, how is it disruptive?
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:37:11
I don't understand what happened, nor what I'm meant to do or not do here...confuzzled.
amnet 2017-02-27 13:37:43
When in doubt, ignore non-staff.
gry 2017-02-27 13:38:03
Speiros: the reasons one doesn't want to engage with defocused or disruptive talks in a channel are numerous (primarily concerning the fact that it encourages offtopic discussions, engages the troublemaker into an unstable relationship with you, and sets a bad example for the remaining members of the channel, in addition to wasting your time)
laowai 2017-02-27 13:38:15
Speiros: i was muted yesterday cause i wont move on, now i guess honey wanna it happen again
gry 2017-02-27 13:38:55
so for any of the parties involved (except chanops), ignoring the not-nice people speeches in the channel is the best way to go
gry 2017-02-27 13:39:26
jaeckel__: hi! may i help you?
_god_ 2017-02-27 13:39:28
I forgot to ignore ~Revolucio@52.83.123.188.rev.sfr.net
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:39:35
would it not be best in that instance to mute the person from being able to speak, as was originally done?
gry 2017-02-27 13:39:43
Speiros: choosing dignifying topics to discuss is preferred and makes you feel better in the long term
_god_ 2017-02-27 13:39:46
^
NightTrain 2017-02-27 13:39:57
Then eventually evade those.
gry 2017-02-27 13:40:05
Speiros: they'll be muted later. while they're not, there are certain things to avoid doing to them, such as engaging in a conversation
Caelum 2017-02-27 13:40:19
any staff around?
amnet 2017-02-27 13:40:29
Or they won't be muted later and you're making a big fuss over nothing.
gry 2017-02-27 13:40:39
Speiros: in the best case, the troublemaker would adjust their attitude and become conversation-worthy, but in some unfortunate cases this is not happening
gry 2017-02-27 13:41:01
Speiros: and the ability to spot these unfortunate cases and not worsen them is a good skill
Speiros 2017-02-27 13:41:11
gry Agreed man, but still, if I have a disagreement and won't fix it, then I need to be muted or booted. For one not to know what happened, but to ignore people who haven't "appeared" to do anything, is that not a place for the ops/staff to enforce?
amnet 2017-02-27 13:41:52
Speiros: It is, and the quiet/ban expired. You're free to talk to them as you like.
gry 2017-02-27 13:42:13
Speiros: well, in some cases you'll see people join who didn't 'seem' to do anything wrong, and someone warns you against engaging with them. this is because the people giving you such advice saw more information than you did, and are trying to help you be more productive
amnet 2017-02-27 13:42:35
gry: Or they're trolling a newbie.
laowai 2017-02-27 13:42:40
Speiros: she
gry 2017-02-27 13:42:55
amnet: yes, sometimes
dax 2017-02-27 13:43:31
true false fact: the catalyzation policy was actually an elaborate troll that got out of hand
bazhang 2017-02-27 13:43:45
true lies
Caelum 2017-02-27 13:44:01
dax hi, could I have a cloak please? Just any generic cloak.
dax 2017-02-27 13:44:22
Caelum: looking, sec
bazhang 2017-02-27 13:44:30
bring back the april first cloaks to make them feel speshul policy
dax 2017-02-27 13:44:34
Caelum: done
_god_ 2017-02-27 13:44:44
you should automate getting cloaks or something
Caelum 2017-02-27 13:44:48
dax: thank you very much!
gry 2017-02-27 13:44:53
_god_: or not give unaffiliated cloaks because they're useless
gry 2017-02-27 13:44:56
there's many options
starrify 2017-02-27 13:44:56
dax was laowai the stalker you mentioned yesterday?
gry 2017-02-27 13:45:04
yes
