cc 2017-02-27 14:45:12
such as the nick q
Nimbostratus 2017-02-27 14:45:19
emerson: Thanks a bunch!
emerson 2017-02-27 14:45:23
cc: right, staff nicks are generally not droppable
emerson 2017-02-27 14:45:27
Nimbostratus: you're welcome :)
thumbs 2017-02-27 14:45:42
cc: q is reserved because it's the name of services on other networks, amongst other things.
dax 2017-02-27 14:45:43
and in the specific case of Q, it's RESV'd, I think
thumbs 2017-02-27 14:45:47
dax: it is.
dax 2017-02-27 14:45:49
as thumbs just said :)
dax 2017-02-27 14:45:51
hehe
cc 2017-02-27 14:45:55
thumbs: i knew that
amnet 2017-02-27 14:45:57
Can I have a staff nick?
cc 2017-02-27 14:46:00
ah
cc 2017-02-27 14:46:09
amnet: not a good idea
emerson 2017-02-27 14:46:20
amnet: i know you're trying to be funny, i think, but you're just adding pointless noise to the channel
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:46:20
lol
emerson 2017-02-27 14:46:28
so maybe tone it down a bit
amnet 2017-02-27 14:46:29
I don't want to be on staff, just the nick.
amnet 2017-02-27 14:46:44
emerson: Thanks for letting know.
emerson 2017-02-27 14:46:48
:)
dax 2017-02-27 14:47:02
Speiros: I suppose that's one way of saying "take a hike"
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:47:08
lol
emerson 2017-02-27 14:47:09
haha
josspyker 2017-02-27 14:47:21
ouch
cc 2017-02-27 14:47:39
emerson: are you new staff?
cc 2017-02-27 14:47:46
i've never seen you before
dax 2017-02-27 14:47:57
cc: he's been staff for over half a year, so no, not really
cc 2017-02-27 14:48:10
dax: but you're relly old....
emerson 2017-02-27 14:48:11
whoa, has it really been that long
KindOne 2017-02-27 14:48:14
cc, they like to get rid of the old one and get new ones once a year or so
emerson 2017-02-27 14:48:21
i guess it has
dax 2017-02-27 14:48:37
cc: I left and came back again.
cc 2017-02-27 14:49:06
always some people always here ,such as dax KindOne thumbs uptime
dax 2017-02-27 14:49:17
well, not uptime, for months
thumbs 2017-02-27 14:49:27
much downtime.
KindOne 2017-02-27 14:49:28
uptime has been MIA for 8 weeks
dax 2017-02-27 14:49:28
hopefully he found something better to spend his time on
cc 2017-02-27 14:49:34
yes
cc 2017-02-27 14:49:45
i think maybe something happen for him
cc 2017-02-27 14:49:54
just hope everything is ok on him
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:50:04
Hopefully yeah.
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 14:50:43
so as a side story i am testing out basonwindowxs archlinux edition
cc 2017-02-27 14:51:25
wa,i talked little here :o because of poor english~~
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:51:48
_aEvl_ What is it best used for?
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 14:52:02
ill find out
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:52:09
Fair enough...yeah.
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 14:52:33
i like arch, so arch in windows could get interesting
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:52:57
_aEvl_ I've never encountered it personally.
markovspeak 2017-02-27 14:52:58
personally.
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:53:07
personally.
markovspeak 2017-02-27 14:53:07
enough yeah.
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:53:19
markovspeak bot?
markovspeak 2017-02-27 14:53:19
I am only a bot. Please do not think I'm intelligent.
emerson 2017-02-27 14:53:41
if that's a bot of someone in here, please get rid of it
untermensch 2017-02-27 14:53:56
so empty
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 14:54:03
woa, thats a lamebot lol
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:54:07
lol
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:54:09
Yep.
cc 2017-02-27 14:54:13
...
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:54:28
lol...sorry cc
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:54:40
Oh, I thought it was your bot.
cc 2017-02-27 14:54:48
no,
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:54:50
Then realised it was your command to remove it.
cc 2017-02-27 14:54:51
i have no bot
Bob- 2017-02-27 14:55:00
command to register?
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:55:01
I don't either, and fall forwards a lot.
cc 2017-02-27 14:55:17
everyone know i dont know any code or computer,
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 14:55:20
/ns help
gildarts 2017-02-27 14:55:24
Bob-: /msg nickserv help register
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 14:55:42
/ns help register
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 14:55:51
^its back
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:56:01
fair dinkum
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 14:56:04
dontspeak.
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 14:56:35
hmm what was thats bot trigger?
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:56:50
I used the words personally first, and it instantly answered.
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:56:53
Then bot
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 14:57:12
wierd
Speiros 2017-02-27 14:57:59
Also, the second response was me mimicking it, and it responded with "enough"
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 14:58:25
ihad to read the chat log twice lol
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 14:59:07
this is installing way slower than ubuntu did.
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 14:59:54
i guess its done...
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 15:00:02
lets see what i can do with it.
thumbs 2017-02-27 15:00:40
_aEvl_: thank you so much for the running commentary.
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 15:00:55
thumbs, sorry
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:00:56
lol
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 15:02:06
Speiros, _god_ pacman works, lol
gry 2017-02-27 15:03:07
is this in ##windows10-ubuntu still ?
Ryan32 2017-02-27 15:03:07
kindone is sending me pm spam about the irc network that is accessed by tor 724fq4mo2mg3wjp4.onion/6697..
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 15:03:37
gry i got arch in windows now, lol
gry 2017-02-27 15:03:49
in vbox or in their strange system
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 15:04:03
in the place of ubuntu in the bash thing
gry 2017-02-27 15:04:06
what is the container?
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 15:04:14
wob
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:05:09
_aEvl_ That's the important bit:)
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:05:15
Pacman I mean
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 15:05:51
Speiros, ikr, i had the other updater break
Frank22 2017-02-27 15:06:14
where is gitgud
Frank22 2017-02-27 15:06:59
emerson the gay queen is abusing ops
cc 2017-02-27 15:07:16
Frank22: i think gigud is sleeping
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:07:42
lol
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 15:09:27
lol
cc 2017-02-27 15:09:38
ban means kick ,right?
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:09:50
with more force, I believe.
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:09:59
Steel capped boots make it a bit harder.
gry 2017-02-27 15:10:17
cc: ban means the person can't talk in the channel, and if they leave then they can't rejoin. a ban doesn't force them to leave.
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:10:38
gry Ah, cool.
utunnel 2017-02-27 15:11:46
hi
cc 2017-02-27 15:13:46
gry: i see,if someone is so bad,he would be baned
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:15:22
Does a ban by default have a specific time limit?
emerson 2017-02-27 15:15:27
no
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:15:35
Ok.
emerson 2017-02-27 15:15:47
this channel has eir for that
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 15:15:52
Speiros, you can give it a time limit though
emerson 2017-02-27 15:15:57
other channels have various bots
emerson 2017-02-27 15:16:02
(if they want to)
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:16:09
I see. Good to know.
emerson 2017-02-27 15:16:21
_aEvl_: you can't set a time limit server-side
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:16:47
Oh...so a bot is needed to manage time limits then?
emerson 2017-02-27 15:16:51
yea
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 15:16:51
not serverside but wth in the bot
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:16:56
Hmm, okay
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:17:01
Not my style.
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:17:16
They could still contact me through a private message though, for instance?
emerson 2017-02-27 15:17:20
or just going through every so often and cleaning up
emerson 2017-02-27 15:17:22
yep
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:17:22
As op
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:17:28
Yeah
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:17:29
True
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 15:17:54
i used to have my bot add limits to a year or month or week
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 15:18:15
selfcleaning method
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:18:19
I want to enforce the room with these principles: http://txti.es/guidelines12345
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:18:42
Not channel specific, but generally for any channel.
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:18:55
My channels I mean, if more than one
cc 2017-02-27 15:21:01
how can i know some help for flags? "/msg nickserv flags help"?or what
cc 2017-02-27 15:21:05
it's nor right
cc 2017-02-27 15:21:16
s/nor/not
amnet1 2017-02-27 15:21:19
HELP FLAGS
cc 2017-02-27 15:21:34
no such command.
amnet 2017-02-27 15:21:45
Try ChanServ.
cc 2017-02-27 15:22:12
it's ok,by using chanserv
gry 2017-02-27 15:23:20
cc: yes a kick is a more mild measure
gry 2017-02-27 15:24:17
cc: a person can rejoin after a kick (better not immediately; recommended to wait until the channel forgets of the person before the person rejoins)
cc 2017-02-27 15:25:04
that's a bad new for someone that baned on freenode
cc 2017-02-27 15:25:19
he/she/it cant rejoin in
cc 2017-02-27 15:26:22
er...maybe we always use "he/she",ah,not "it" wrong using
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:26:35
Sorry, was lagging.
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:26:56
lol
cc 2017-02-27 15:27:00
lol
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:27:18
_aEvl_ I agree, I think the selfcleaning method is the way.
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 15:28:00
Speiros, i put that guidline arite on my site lol.
gry 2017-02-27 15:28:00
cc for a new person a kick is confusing too. they don't always even know how to rejoin (and do not always realize the fact). but ops usually communicate with a newcomer at the time of the kick or a ban if they have a hope for a positive change. if they don't have it, the newcomer shouldn't be in their channel
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 15:28:12
article
cc 2017-02-27 15:28:38
gry: i see
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 15:28:57
the force leave command is neat
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:29:00
_aEvl_ It's not bad as far as general principles go. It has no specific law, but works well as guidelines.
gry 2017-02-27 15:29:06
cc this is why freenode introduced quiets. this way the newcomer can't speak, but they still have the opportunity to read the chat and message the op.
gry 2017-02-27 15:29:45
_aEvl_ it is 'interesting' but it breaks many clients; they don't even see the kick message. i typically use it to remove bots but not people.
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:30:13
gry Yes, that is important. I'd like to experiment so as to get that part right. I don't want to make people think they can never come back, when it is just a way of enforcing a change of conversation when someone starts getting too emotionally involved, and loses their place.
gry 2017-02-27 15:30:32
good
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 15:31:08
limnoria bots are good at managing a chal
amnet 2017-02-27 15:31:17
Speiros: You've lost your place when you've unlearned verbal deescalation.
amnet 2017-02-27 15:31:26
Speiros: /invite them back if you feel it.
gry 2017-02-27 15:31:30
_aEvl_: partly; i prefer human ops to the bots effort
starrify 2017-02-27 15:31:55
what's the force leave command _aEvl_
amnet 2017-02-27 15:32:07
Speiros: Even if you channel isn't +i, assume it is for the sake of understanding whether or not you're making people feel welcome to chat.
gry 2017-02-27 15:32:08
newcomers occasionally perhaps close the chat entirely after a kick, if it is their first and only channel
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:32:19
Is it possible to send a message on freenode, not knowing what channel their in?
gry 2017-02-27 15:32:32
yes you can message gry if gry doesn't share channels with you
gry 2017-02-27 15:32:41
all you need to know is gry's nick for that
Chico30 2017-02-27 15:32:42
Speiros, with their nick yes
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:32:54
Thanks gry:) Awesome. Using memoserv?
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:33:04
Thanks Chico30 too.
gry 2017-02-27 15:33:09
you can use the '/msg' or '/query' command first, but memoserv works too
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:33:34
amnet I like to make them feel welcome yes:) I have a link in the topic for them to learn of the rules.
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:33:49
Thanks gry, I'll try that.
gry 2017-02-27 15:33:50
if i'm online, using /msg to me is more convenient, so that memoserv doesn't act as a proxy in our conversation. for leaving more than one message, or for having an interactive conversation, /msg is more convenient
amnet 2017-02-27 15:33:51
Rules don't make people feel welcome, they make them feel safe.
amnet 2017-02-27 15:34:13
When someone doesn't feel welcome, the rules polarize in the opposite direction.
gry 2017-02-27 15:34:16
what makes people feel welcome is someone being around and paying attention
gry 2017-02-27 15:34:32
paying attention is more important than being around
pj 2017-02-27 15:34:37
my rule of thumb: +b for people who are genuinely nasty, spammers, trolls, etc. +q for people who might have legitimate reason to want to be in the channel but you don't want to hear them, people with bad nettiquite or those who just need to cool off for a while.
gry 2017-02-27 15:34:38
people like attention to themselves and to their work
pj 2017-02-27 15:34:54
if you want to control the topic of a channel then +m and giving voice is more appropriate, imo.
rob0 2017-02-27 15:35:01
my rule of thumbs: troll thumbs
gry 2017-02-27 15:35:10
no
pj 2017-02-27 15:35:18
hahaha
gry 2017-02-27 15:36:15
it is 'rule of thumb', too
gry 2017-02-27 15:37:36
no, i saw it, and i didn't like it, so i attempted to ruin it
gry 2017-02-27 15:37:44
by pointing out broken grammar
amnet 2017-02-27 15:38:13
That pretty much makes your entire netiquette rant pointless.
gry 2017-02-27 15:38:25
Speiros: if the thing is foss, what keeps people around is giving them push access (if in doubt i advise them to work in a separate branch)
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:38:34
Yep.
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:38:35
lol...fair dinkum.
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:38:36
the /msg worked a charm. I'm happy about that.
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:38:38
thumbs It looks like those at the keyboard have all thumbs:D
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:38:58
I was in a room, and someone dropped a msg then ran, and it is a shame, as it wasn't able to be discussed with what they stated, so that's why I appreciate this /msg ability.
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:39:18
Now I'm prepared:)
gry 2017-02-27 15:40:47
amnet: well, personal attacks are not a joke, so i don't think any positive attention is well-placed as a reply, if that's what you expected
amnet 2017-02-27 15:41:09
Killing a joke can be a personal attack.
gry 2017-02-27 15:41:12
Speiros: sounds good, you're also building something
gry 2017-02-27 15:41:44
amnet: you could of tell me what to do, i am too lazy to think
amnet 2017-02-27 15:42:00
Nothing.
gry 2017-02-27 15:42:25
no, it's the attack target who does nothing; observers should display their perception
amnet 2017-02-27 15:42:26
Most humor gets maybe one or two laughs and the discussion moves on.
amnet 2017-02-27 15:42:38
Adding an attempt at negative social feedback on top of that is useless hostility.
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:42:40
What is push access gry?
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 15:42:41
in arch ssh is sshd or ssh-server
gry 2017-02-27 15:42:44
amnet: i don't appreciate that kind of humour, sorry, maybe we disagree
gry 2017-02-27 15:43:04
Speiros: in a collaborative environment, it's the access to writing content on your site (in your directory, in your repository)
amnet 2017-02-27 15:43:08
So don't laugh.
amnet 2017-02-27 15:43:44
If you have a problem with other people laughing, it's generally going to be your problem.
gry 2017-02-27 15:43:52
Speiros: so if the newcomer is giving some positive ideas for the content, you encourage them to volunteer to write them straight away
