gry 2017-02-26 18:00:40
setham: hi! thanks for registering your nick. a cloak would not show up on webchat, though. do you know how to use another client?
setham 2017-02-26 18:01:49
Yes, I use a couple of different clients... no need right now but at others time when using a client
setham 2017-02-26 18:01:57
Txs
gry 2017-02-26 18:02:10
and you're ok with an unaffiliated cloak which only shows up on non-webchat clients?
Speiros 2017-02-26 18:03:41
I still don't understand the control with other ops...If I make a person an op in a room, does that by default make them able to pass op privileges on, or can I control that as an owner?
Speiros 2017-02-26 18:04:03
I'd want people to be able to be an op, but not to pass it on.
Speiros 2017-02-26 18:04:12
I can't find those parameters under the link given prior
gry 2017-02-26 18:04:32
if you give them +o in chanserv's access list, the person can op themselves and (unless chanserv's SECURE flag is set) op other people who are not on access list
setham 2017-02-26 18:04:43
@gry yes
gry 2017-02-26 18:04:50
if you give them +fo in chanserv's access list, the person can op themselves and give +o chanserv flag to other people, so that they can op themselves through chanserv too
gry 2017-02-26 18:05:15
setham: thanks for confirming! a member of staff would attend to your query when one is available. please stick around and keep doing your other tasks (it might be a while)
setham 2017-02-26 18:05:31
@gry txs
gry 2017-02-26 18:05:34
yvw
Speiros 2017-02-26 18:05:34
gry I see, so the SECURE flag is an important one then.
gry 2017-02-26 18:05:51
only if you think your ops might be nasty and op dangerous people
TheQuestionmark 2017-02-26 18:31:44
Hello. I'd like to report someone who's insulting me as a raper via query all the time.
Casper 2017-02-26 18:33:21
TheQuestionmark: unfortunatelly not against freenode policy, ignore that user
gry 2017-02-26 18:33:28
hi TheQuestionmark, do they share any channels with you?
gry 2017-02-26 18:33:40
Casper: i doubt that...
TheQuestionmark 2017-02-26 18:34:27
gry: Just ##chat
TheQuestionmark 2017-02-26 18:34:31
Casper: :<
gry 2017-02-26 18:34:43
TheQuestionmark: would you mind asking ##chat-ops to remove that person from the channel?
TheQuestionmark 2017-02-26 18:34:46
Casper: Even if he's making fun of other races?
gry 2017-02-26 18:34:58
TheQuestionmark: i don't think Casper was being entirely serious
TheQuestionmark 2017-02-26 18:35:01
gry: I'll do so then.
gry 2017-02-26 18:35:42
TheQuestionmark: (afaik only the part about ignoring or at the very least not reacting to the spammer looks quite reasonable)
Casper 2017-02-26 18:35:43
gry: I am totally serious, if it not something that affect the network stability nobody will do anything
gry 2017-02-26 18:35:55
Casper: if the user spams other users in the channel or other channels...
gry 2017-02-26 18:36:21
generally that kind of behaviour is not OK, and not welcome to happen, to be very clear
robott 2017-02-26 18:36:23
gry doesn't know what she's talking about.
TheQuestionmark 2017-02-26 18:36:28
Huh... he just left the server.
gry 2017-02-26 18:36:34
good
amnet 2017-02-26 18:36:49
Spammers have lives too I guess.
ryonaloli 2017-02-26 18:36:52
it is not against freenode rules to make fun of another race in pm.
ryonaloli 2017-02-26 18:36:56
you can just ignore them.
amnet 2017-02-26 18:36:56
Ish.
gry 2017-02-26 18:37:07
TheQuestionmark: today this channel has a few guests who keep giving misleading advice in groups, as staff aren't looking
TheQuestionmark 2017-02-26 18:37:16
Well, if you say there's a op channel for the bigger channels tho, I'll better keep the op channel open in my bouncer, just for the sake of help.
gry 2017-02-26 18:37:16
TheQuestionmark: (weekend and all that)
ryonaloli 2017-02-26 18:37:24
i mean if they're *spamming* you? or if they ban evade/ignore evade? then maybe staff can get involved.
ryonaloli 2017-02-26 18:37:34
but in general, if you can take care of it on your own, client-side, then you should.
gildarts 2017-02-26 18:37:39
TheQuestionmark: already removed them. I am heading to bed soon, but ping another op if it happens again.
gry 2017-02-26 18:37:39
ryonaloli: racism isn't welcome at freenode at all
gry 2017-02-26 18:37:51
thanks gildarts
ryonaloli 2017-02-26 18:38:00
gry: racism is not against freenode global rules.
TheQuestionmark 2017-02-26 18:38:05
gildarts: I'll do so. Keep the ops channel open then.
ryonaloli 2017-02-26 18:38:06
(though a racist channel is not on-topic)
TheQuestionmark 2017-02-26 18:38:12
Or at least try to remember it.
TheQuestionmark 2017-02-26 18:38:24
Thanks for your help.
gry 2017-02-26 18:38:35
ryonaloli: sorry, i am afraid i disagree with you
ryonaloli 2017-02-26 18:38:52
gry: i asked an ircop about this specifically, and was told that, unless you are using a server which is hosted in a country that makes it illegal, it is permitted.
ryonaloli 2017-02-26 18:39:03
though a channel which is dedicated to it may be closed due to being off-topic.
Speiros 2017-02-26 18:39:14
ryonaloli racism is a fundamental issue in most places. I won't be tolerating any racist fools in my areas.
gry 2017-02-26 18:39:38
ryonaloli: did you ask a freenode ircop or efnet ircop? that kind of thing is decentralized at efnet, but not at freenode ...
ryonaloli 2017-02-26 18:39:39
Speiros: sure, and you can do whatever you like in channels you moderate.
ryonaloli 2017-02-26 18:39:44
gry: freenode, of course.
Speiros 2017-02-26 18:39:48
Mind you, racism has been politically-corrected to mean stuff that isn't racist any more.
ryonaloli 2017-02-26 18:40:54
e.g. if you join a german freenode server leaf, you are bound by german law. if you join a swedish server leaf, you are bound by swedish law. that is, in addition to the global rules regarding which types of channels are on-topic (primarily FOSS related)
gry 2017-02-26 18:41:16
ryonaloli: http://dpaste.com/376Q00D.txt is the old site version, it's strange to see that it was removed, do you know why?
gry 2017-02-26 18:41:58
ryonaloli: i mean people wouldn't be legally punishable for being racist on some servers, but freenode as a network could do all its users a favor and say that it does not welcome such behaviour like it did for over a decade
ryonaloli 2017-02-26 18:42:23
since that is according to UK law, that likely still applies to any UK servers you would connect to.
amnet 2017-02-26 18:42:23
Or it could avoid politics and focus on peer-directed projects.
irinix 2017-02-26 18:42:44
are commercial projects taboo on Freenode?
ryonaloli 2017-02-26 18:42:49
irinix: no
ryonaloli 2017-02-26 18:42:57
however FOSS is prefered, and that is freenode's primary focus
gry 2017-02-26 18:42:58
ryonaloli: it was kind of a habit. freenode said "we don't like things UK doesn't like". it didn't mean these things were illegal, only that it didn't like them
amnet 2017-02-26 18:43:07
Commercial projects are rarely all that peer-directed.
gry 2017-02-26 18:43:26
ryonaloli: i.e. what you are saying now is law, and what the old website was saying was a custom rule staff were enforcing, and you claim they stopped
ryonaloli 2017-02-26 18:43:45
gry: i am just going by what i was told when i asked staff
irinix 2017-02-26 18:43:46
Is there a web site that provides network wide stats?
irinix 2017-02-26 18:43:54
For example total users etc.,
gry 2017-02-26 18:44:05
irinix: commercial projects are welcome to host their channels here so long as they produce freely licensed output
gry 2017-02-26 18:44:21
no stats provided, sorry, not the kind of thing projects find useful to rank themselves by
irinix 2017-02-26 18:44:43
Wasn't looking for ranking metrics, was just curious to see the stats of the network.
ilbelkyr 2017-02-26 18:44:57
there is /lusers but be aware that this isn't the most useful sort of info
ilbelkyr 2017-02-26 18:46:12
(same goes for /motd services. to see registered info)
irinix 2017-02-26 18:46:59
for example total upstream and downstream bandwidth consumption, user counts, messages per second etc.,
ryonaloli 2017-02-26 18:47:30
gry: there is ##windows for example, and it is permitted to be hosted here
Speiros 2017-02-26 18:47:44
gry I have a question regarding that link, if at all known. If I type the # before the word, using markup language, not the html version, does it only apply to the line typed, as there seems to be no close symbol associated by default.
amnet 2017-02-26 18:47:44
ryonaloli: Double pound is unofficial channels.
ryonaloli 2017-02-26 18:47:44
yeah i know about freenode namespaces
ilbelkyr 2017-02-26 18:47:44
irinix, per-server message stats: /stats m servername.freenode.net (but note that this includes server-to-server protocol and probably isn't the most useful for you)
amnet 2017-02-26 18:47:44
Oh.
amnet 2017-02-26 18:47:44
I see what you meant.
setham 2017-02-26 18:47:44
@gry: I know you asked to stay around until a staff member can provide one, I'll need to go soon... If I leave would I need to re-request?
irinix 2017-02-26 18:47:44
ilbelkyr, well, that's part of the stats I'm interested in.
