Speiros 2017-02-27 19:08:37
Hi all
KindOne 2017-02-27 19:09:15
_o< h Speiros >o_
Speiros 2017-02-27 19:09:23
Heya KindOne:)
yitz 2017-02-27 19:12:22
Does a realname starting with '~' always mean the user is identified?
gry 2017-02-27 19:13:03
no
MetaNova 2017-02-27 19:13:03
yitz: you mean, the ident/"username"? in nick!ident@host, the ident or ~ident portion?
MetaNova 2017-02-27 19:13:18
yitz: because that is neither a realname, nor does it have any indication of identified status
yitz 2017-02-27 19:13:32
That ~ident bit
yitz 2017-02-27 19:13:42
nick!~realname@host
MetaNova 2017-02-27 19:14:03
the ~ indicates that the client connection did not respond to an ident request (port 113)
yitz 2017-02-27 19:14:18
irssi configures that ident bit with the realname setting/field
gry 2017-02-27 19:14:24
no
MetaNova 2017-02-27 19:14:29
no it doesn't
gry 2017-02-27 19:14:36
with user_name or username, i forget which
gry 2017-02-27 19:14:53
if it's not set, maaaaybe it picks the OS username, but not the realname i don't think so
yitz 2017-02-27 19:14:56
Oh >.> My bad.
MetaNova 2017-02-27 19:15:14
irssi controls the realname/gecos field with the 'real_name' variable
MetaNova 2017-02-27 19:15:26
and the ident/username field with the 'user_name' variable
yitz 2017-02-27 19:15:48
Too many fields. I dropped/merged those two.
MetaNova 2017-02-27 19:15:55
yitz: no worries!
yitz 2017-02-27 19:16:28
But the ~ in the ident is not responding to ident. Which means most people probably got it and it got nothing to do with logging in.
yitz 2017-02-27 19:16:31
Thanks
amnet 2017-02-27 19:16:41
Back in my day we just grepped that info from /etc/passwd
MetaNova 2017-02-27 19:17:02
that was the origin of how the field was filled, yup
MetaNova 2017-02-27 19:17:06
amnet knows their history
MetaNova 2017-02-27 19:17:25
and that's why it's still referred to as the "username"
MetaNova 2017-02-27 19:17:45
being well-read is nothing to be ashamed of my friend
irinix 2017-02-27 19:18:07
back in my day, we had to hand copy that information by passing clay tablets around burning bushes.
amnet 2017-02-27 19:18:08
Wanting to live in an alternate history where IRC replaced mail is though.
yitz 2017-02-27 19:18:22
email or snail mail?
amnet 2017-02-27 19:18:23
irinix: Damn.
MetaNova 2017-02-27 19:18:31
ha
amnet 2017-02-27 19:18:38
yitz: Email.
MetaNova 2017-02-27 19:18:48
then again, I suppose I'm not all that old, either, I've just picked up bits of information along the way
yitz 2017-02-27 19:19:02
Oh. Well. It'd making emailing much more concise.
irinix 2017-02-27 19:19:13
I wonder what that bandwidth limit of clay tablets actually is.
amnet 2017-02-27 19:19:14
Yes it would.
yitz 2017-02-27 19:19:29
irinix: Depends on your resolution
amnet 2017-02-27 19:19:36
Everything IRC could have been if it'd remained a single unified global network was made impossible by spam mail.
irinix 2017-02-27 19:19:59
yitz assume the finest possible resolution that could be achieved on say, a granite slab.
asdf373636 2017-02-27 19:20:17
Infowars' Alex Jones Is Trump's CAPS LOCK Advisor www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-HUbdEAxo8
irinix 2017-02-27 19:20:25
amnet, what do you mean?
amnet 2017-02-27 19:20:50
irinix: Heard of USENET?
irinix 2017-02-27 19:20:57
amnet, yes
amnet 2017-02-27 19:21:11
Single unified global communications network.
irinix 2017-02-27 19:21:54
okay, but, how does that even compare to IRC?
amnet 2017-02-27 19:21:55
IRC was designed with the same infrastructure, so that servers could link together into one big namespace.
irinix 2017-02-27 19:22:05
right, I get that.
irinix 2017-02-27 19:22:18
but my read of "One single unified global network"
amnet 2017-02-27 19:22:21
When connecting to freenode servers, you'd join the *server* specific channel &freenode.
irinix 2017-02-27 19:22:44
but my read of "One single unified global network" is "No Seperate networks"
amnet 2017-02-27 19:23:04
#freenode would thus be the global world-namespace channel for all unofficial freenode discussion.
amnet 2017-02-27 19:23:15
irinix: Correct.
amnet 2017-02-27 19:23:22
There would only be access points, servers.
Speiros 2017-02-27 19:23:35
I personally think that sending a message on a talc block would be nice.
irinix 2017-02-27 19:23:53
amnet, I guess I'm missing the benefits of that.
Speiros 2017-02-27 19:23:58
Good detail...a bit powdery in the letterbox though.
irinix 2017-02-27 19:24:15
For example, Freenode is mostly for the FOSS movement, correct?
amnet 2017-02-27 19:24:16
irinix: Well, they botched the design.
amnet 2017-02-27 19:24:27
Namespace collisions forced the networks to separate.
irinix 2017-02-27 19:24:43
And thus allowed each network to develop it's own community.
amnet 2017-02-27 19:24:47
No.
amnet 2017-02-27 19:25:06
That'd have happened even with a single global Internet Relay Network.
yitz 2017-02-27 19:25:08
I got a small ~8x10 bamboo-laquered whiteboard thing I can scribble on with dry-erase markers. IRC/email is far better
irinix 2017-02-27 19:25:13
*and* the clients don't care which networks you join, so, you still have a unified experience.
amnet 2017-02-27 19:25:13
Freenode would just be part of that global network.
amnet 2017-02-27 19:25:19
Much the same as it is today.
irinix 2017-02-27 19:25:29
with the exception of being able to cross server message.
amnet 2017-02-27 19:25:33
It'd just have &channels for freenode projects.
irinix 2017-02-27 19:25:52
Which would actually be a really cool feature of the network.
amnet 2017-02-27 19:26:22
The other thing is that mesh networks are non-trivial.
irinix 2017-02-27 19:26:25
but wait, why can't that be implemented in IRCX.Y?
irinix 2017-02-27 19:26:36
Mesh Networks?
amnet 2017-02-27 19:26:54
So the global network map would become very complicated, and most server implementors wouldn't bother making it look sensible or intuitive.
amnet 2017-02-27 19:27:05
You could say IRC happened too soon to match its design goals.
amnet 2017-02-27 19:27:42
Long live eggdrop!
Ellenor 2017-02-27 19:27:42
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irinix 2017-02-27 19:28:05
But the map doesn't *need* to be complicated
Ellenor 2017-02-27 19:28:06
amnet: you can say freenode bit the hand that fed it; for more information, connect to 162.220.112.99
amnet 2017-02-27 19:28:25
irinix: It would become complex as servers were added to the network.
irinix 2017-02-27 19:28:51
each node only needs to keep track of the nodes that were closest to it. Where is greater than or equal to 1
irinix 2017-02-27 19:28:53
right?
amnet 2017-02-27 19:29:04
Ellenor: But anyone can get an IP address! At least DNS forces you to sign up with a RL identity.
root3d 2017-02-27 19:29:08
So slack is essentially IRC, no one cared for IRC and you give a new name to same thing. Voilaa, funding...
amnet 2017-02-27 19:29:10
Clearly untrustworthy.
Ellenor 2017-02-27 19:29:29
amnet: .... fuck off.
irinix 2017-02-27 19:29:38
and since we're talking networking, closest would be ping time, wouldn't it?
amnet 2017-02-27 19:29:44
root3d: Right, same principle as Cloudflare. HTTP proxies were supposed to carry the load.
amnet 2017-02-27 19:30:02
There's even methods for origin servers to tell clients to use proxies to access their content.
amnet 2017-02-27 19:30:13
Cloudflare was literally irrelevant.
amnet 2017-02-27 19:30:39
irinix: In a word, no.
root3d 2017-02-27 19:30:39
cloudbleed in short.
amnet 2017-02-27 19:30:48
Each IRC server has to route messages to all the other servers.
amnet 2017-02-27 19:30:55
Tree-structure networks do this best.
amnet 2017-02-27 19:31:17
With a mesh network, you might send the same message to two different peers, who send it to two different peers...
amnet 2017-02-27 19:31:40
Collisions become constant and messages require hop counts like IP packets do.
amnet 2017-02-27 19:32:51
Of course that ends the ubiquity of any observed interface because your messages are only propagating on hop count rather than going to ever relevant server.
rud0lf 2017-02-27 19:33:16
better than ice, doesn't water up your beverage
amnet 2017-02-27 19:33:48
irinix: So yeah. Strictly non-trivial.
koobs`afk 2017-02-27 19:33:49
Hi, any staffers awake to assist with a user cloak?
irinix 2017-02-27 19:37:01
Staff is not Doing, Allah is Doing! =D Lol
Speiros 2017-02-27 19:37:35
irinix who says that?
irinix 2017-02-27 19:37:46
Speiros, it's a spammer from Espernet
amnet 2017-02-27 19:38:02
We should go mess up his network.
irinix 2017-02-27 19:38:12
amnet, and I were talking about him last night
Speiros 2017-02-27 19:38:24
irinix Ah, he dropped a comment, but I invited him to my channel, but it didn't get through to him.
MetaNova 2017-02-27 19:38:37
it's espernet .. if anything, we'd inadvertently help class up the joint
irinix 2017-02-27 19:38:54
^^
irinix 2017-02-27 19:39:03
I left espernet because it feels like it
amnet 2017-02-27 19:39:17
MetaNova: Joke was too subtle. I yearn for a global IRN.
irinix 2017-02-27 19:39:18
s run by people who cry to mommy every time somebody says something mildly offensive
MetaNova 2017-02-27 19:39:25
amnet: ;-)
gxz 2017-02-27 19:39:28
hello
gxz 2017-02-27 19:39:33
everyone
KindOne 2017-02-27 19:39:35
try PirateIRC
MetaNova 2017-02-27 19:39:35
irinix: ikr
MetaNova 2017-02-27 19:39:42
KindOne: BAD KINDONE
irinix 2017-02-27 19:39:53
What is PIRATEIRC?
Speiros 2017-02-27 19:39:55
If there are any people who want to discuss their religious beliefs, they can be sent to my channel if they are sensible.
KindOne 2017-02-27 19:39:56
_o< h gxz >o_
gxz 2017-02-27 19:40:00
I am a Chinese
yitz 2017-02-27 19:40:16
All hail the Flying Spaghetti Monster
irinix 2017-02-27 19:40:20
Uhm yeah, no...
KindOne 2017-02-27 19:40:29
_o< I am a American >o_
MetaNova 2017-02-27 19:40:33
Speiros: I sincerely wish you the best in finding people who are both 'religious' and capable of 'sensible discussion' :/
gxz 2017-02-27 19:40:37
I can not understand your.....
MetaNova 2017-02-27 19:40:52
(as there is sadly far too few)
yitz 2017-02-27 19:40:52
lol
amnet 2017-02-27 19:40:53
MetaNova said it so I don't have to.
Speiros 2017-02-27 19:40:57
MetaNova They exist man:) Maybe not a majority,but they're there.
KindOne 2017-02-27 19:40:57
MetaNova: I've been a bad bad troll
KindOne 2017-02-27 19:42:46
MetaNova: Install gentoo today.
MetaNova 2017-02-27 19:43:53
KindOne: been there done that
MetaNova 2017-02-27 19:43:57
KindOne: install upspin
