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Monday, February 27, 2017

#freenode channel featuring amnet, OS-27315, Kerr-A, swathi, WilliamC, elky, and 10 others.

JamieH 2017-02-27 15:45:19
hey #fish is being spammed
JamieH 2017-02-27 15:45:25
any netops about?
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:45:56
Ah, I see.
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:45:57
gry I can see how that can be beneficial.
JamieH 2017-02-27 15:46:07
https://share.jamiehankins.co.uk/ShareX/2017/02/chrome_2017-02-28_02-46-02.png
amnet 2017-02-27 15:46:11
If the problem is isolated to that channel you can have the chanops kick.
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:46:30
JamieH I thought they'd eat it.
gry 2017-02-27 15:46:36
the channel has no channel ops at all, alas
gry 2017-02-27 15:47:03
i would suggest to close it and replace it with a forward to ##unavailable as the group has moved their official channel to another network
amnet 2017-02-27 15:47:12
s/chanop/anyone on the access list/g
gry 2017-02-27 15:47:32
JamieH: meanwhile i would suggest to not talk with the troll and talk about something else
gry 2017-02-27 15:47:44
JamieH: if the troll isn't given attention, they may leave
JamieH 2017-02-27 15:47:56
gry: sigh...
gry 2017-02-27 15:48:17
just move over to the other channel at the other network and if there's someone else awake ask them to do the same :)
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:48:33
gry Yes, makes good sense that. I used to play in a game, and that was a crucial factor, and a point of topic at the time about player involvement, when they had ideas.
JamieH 2017-02-27 15:48:59
gry: lol... they're in here...
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:49:00
gry From there, many forks started, with many being really enjoyable, let alone content being updated regularly.
gry 2017-02-27 15:49:07
JamieH: i'm aware, i think
gry 2017-02-27 15:49:29
Speiros: yes, hopefully you find it useful too
JamieH 2017-02-27 15:49:31
different handle though, not in here under that name
gry 2017-02-27 15:50:06
Speiros: ie at github people are often making pull requests without receiving the said access, and it's a bit of a problem
gry 2017-02-27 15:50:51
JamieH: i sent you a uri in private message
gry 2017-02-27 15:51:13
_aEvl_: you too
_aEvl_ 2017-02-27 15:52:16
na, i was trying to play with the bot
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:55:12
brb
gry 2017-02-27 15:55:31
amnet: if you would like to suggest a place where these principles work without the 'unnecessary hostility', i would be willing to watch it and learn from it while putting effort to have minimal negative impact on it
amnet 2017-02-27 15:56:00
gry: Well, the reason I bring it up is because I consider it applicable anywhere.
amnet 2017-02-27 15:56:39
I don't consider different communities to have different social fabrics, just different customs.
gry 2017-02-27 15:56:41
i can understand that; what i mean is me joining somewhere to watch the different atmosphere that would set
gry 2017-02-27 15:56:54
if you're aware of one
gry 2017-02-27 15:57:14
as it would probably have more instances of successful reactions than here, and watching succesful good reactions would make it easier to learn them
amnet 2017-02-27 15:57:22
Right, and I'd love to explicitly provide that opportunity, but IMO it exists anywhere you exhibit that willingness to watch it.
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:58:08
Bad connection I believe.
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:58:13
Anyway, back.
gry 2017-02-27 15:58:33
no, your irc client consciously sent a 'Leaving' quit message, it wasn't a networking issue
gry 2017-02-27 15:58:36
amnet ok
Speiros 2017-02-27 15:58:56
gry I mean not from here to server, but from me to ISP and out.
gry 2017-02-27 15:59:21
if you disconnected from your isp, i think such quit message would not have been delivered
Speiros 2017-02-27 16:00:03
I signed out first. I noticed there was a lot of lag, and opened a web page, which was also slow.
amnet 2017-02-27 16:00:23
I noticed some of your messages lagged earlier.
Speiros 2017-02-27 16:00:25
I signed out, then turned it off and on.
Speiros 2017-02-27 16:00:39
Yeah, it will probably happen again, as I'm on a shared gateway
Speiros 2017-02-27 16:00:58
At least 6 if not 7 of us.
gry 2017-02-27 16:01:26
ok; if it's happening regularly, maybe ask your isp to fix it. keep notes of the speed
Speiros 2017-02-27 16:01:42
True.
amnet 2017-02-27 16:02:14
IRC gateway or VPN?
Speiros 2017-02-27 16:02:19
Actually, I need to do stuff, so I'd better do so before it's too late in the day. Just after 2pm here.
gry 2017-02-27 16:02:23
no, he is connecting directly, i think
Speiros 2017-02-27 16:02:34
Yes, except through tor
gry 2017-02-27 16:02:47
was your browser thing through tor too
Speiros 2017-02-27 16:02:53
Yes:)
gry 2017-02-27 16:03:00
that's why it lags then; not your isp problem
amnet 2017-02-27 16:03:06
Not much you can do about lag on Tor I'm afraid.
Speiros 2017-02-27 16:03:12
Good point actually...
Speiros 2017-02-27 16:03:35
Never thought of that. There's quite a load on the ISP, so it isn't technically their fault.
amnet 2017-02-27 16:03:49
Every so often the NSA likes to flood it with packets to gain a better heuristic of its overall structiure.
gry 2017-02-27 16:04:05
perhaps next time it's slow, open a new tor-free browser window and test speed in both and compare
Speiros 2017-02-27 16:04:17
gry Yeah, true.
Speiros 2017-02-27 16:04:36
I like the fact that they have to store it, and attempt to decrypt it, all to find nothing of interest.
Speiros 2017-02-27 16:04:47
If they don't ask, and just take, then they can dig.
gry 2017-02-27 16:04:54
rob0: sorry for the counter-troll; was merely not a funny joke, i didn't mean to offend you
Speiros 2017-02-27 16:04:59
Otherwise, they could have just asked, etc.
amnet 2017-02-27 16:05:11
Speiros: Decrypt nothing. They have more data than they have intellect to analyze it with.
Speiros 2017-02-27 16:05:30
amnet Ah...lol...I like to see people working...
Speiros 2017-02-27 16:05:40
amnet exactly my thoughts
amnet 2017-02-27 16:05:54
I do too, which is why it irks me that they sit on the data.
amnet 2017-02-27 16:06:12
You will always be more productive when you bite off an amount you can actually chew.
Speiros 2017-02-27 16:06:28
amnet True.
Speiros 2017-02-27 16:07:47
Ok, I'll see you good folks around later on. Enjoy your day:)
amnet 2017-02-27 16:07:55
Cya then.
rob0 2017-02-27 16:15:14
gry, np, but anyway, thumbs is used to it after all these years of harassment by Yours Truly.
OS-27315 2017-02-27 16:19:32
any staff here?
thumbs 2017-02-27 16:20:05
OS-27315: if this is for a cloak request, you must register with NickServ first.
elky 2017-02-27 16:20:07
there are, but they are probably idle. they can answer questions when they reappear if you ask them
OS-27315 2017-02-27 16:20:38
I registered with NickServ but no email was sent
OS-27315 2017-02-27 16:20:45
is there a time delay?
amnet 2017-02-27 16:20:52
Yes.
amnet 2017-02-27 16:20:57
But are you sure you typed the email correctly?
OS-27315 2017-02-27 16:21:00
ah, ok
OS-27315 2017-02-27 16:21:02
yes
thumbs 2017-02-27 16:21:11
OS-27315: you didn't register yet
elky 2017-02-27 16:21:14
and it's a legit email not a throwaway?
thumbs 2017-02-27 16:21:26
OS-27315: don't replace NickServ with your nickname, either.
OS-27315 2017-02-27 16:21:30
yes, it is my work email
amnet 2017-02-27 16:21:43
Did you check your spam folders?
thumbs 2017-02-27 16:21:52
OS-27315: your current nickname isn't registered. Which one did you register?
OS-27315 2017-02-27 16:21:56
I did, no joy
amnet 2017-02-27 16:22:24
I think there might be a command to resend the verification email.
OS-27315 2017-02-27 16:22:30
@thumbs, I am pretty sure I am using the proper commands
thumbs 2017-02-27 16:22:44
amnet: you're missing the part where the account isn't registered to begin with.
thumbs 2017-02-27 16:22:56
OS-27315: well, OS-27315 isn't registered. See /msg NickServ help register
amnet 2017-02-27 16:23:05
thumbs: +r doesn't activate until you verify the account.
gry 2017-02-27 16:23:14
there is no umode +r here, sorry, amnet
thumbs 2017-02-27 16:23:21
amnet: /msg NickServ info OS-27315
amnet 2017-02-27 16:24:02
gry: Are you sure? My client doesn't really tell me this stuff.
thumbs 2017-02-27 16:24:04
OS-27315: again, do *not* replace NickServ with your nickname, or anything else. Use "NickServ" literally.
gry 2017-02-27 16:24:08
i know it is on some other networks and i can understand expecting it here
gry 2017-02-27 16:24:17
you could try using '/mode amnet' to view your current mode
amnet 2017-02-27 16:24:28
I tried, client is terrible.
elky 2017-02-27 16:24:35
then get a better one
gry 2017-02-27 16:24:38
sounds like room for improvement, which client?
amnet 2017-02-27 16:24:42
I would if I could.
OS-27315 2017-02-27 16:24:47
I just get a 'No Channel joined' when I try the help command
thumbs 2017-02-27 16:25:01
OS-27315: try /query NickServ, then help register
amnet 2017-02-27 16:25:03
gry: Adium. It's not an IRC client per-se.
dax 2017-02-27 16:25:23
it's pidgin for Mac, for anyone who hasn't encountered it
elky 2017-02-27 16:25:37
eww on both counts
OS-27315 2017-02-27 16:25:38
Here is the command I used to try and register:
amnet 2017-02-27 16:25:40
^
dax 2017-02-27 16:25:41
elky: quite
amnet 2017-02-27 16:26:01
I'd like to remind the court that none of this was my decision.
OS-27315 2017-02-27 16:26:01
"/msg NickServ REGISTER mypassword myemail"
violetZzzZzz 2017-02-27 16:26:05
Havent used pidgin for years
violetZzzZzz 2017-02-27 16:26:07
I dont really miss it
thumbs 2017-02-27 16:26:15
OS-27315: try /query NickServ first, then REGISTER ...
OS-27315 2017-02-27 16:27:26
it tells me no channel joined when i try to query
gry 2017-02-27 16:27:27
amnet: perhaps you could report it to the developers https://trac.adium.im/report; I have this on my list of things to read and possibly port to gnustep but I am a bit slow
elky 2017-02-27 16:27:40
OS-27315: what is your client?
thumbs 2017-02-27 16:27:41
OS-27315: sounds like a broken client.
OS-27315 2017-02-27 16:27:47
hexchat
gry 2017-02-27 16:27:54
amnet: (as doing so would be the shortest way to editing it)
amnet 2017-02-27 16:28:03
gry: That's among the class of things that I'd be able to do if I could get another client right now.
thumbs 2017-02-27 16:28:14
OS-27315: hexchat can use /query NickServ just fine. Are you sure you're not making a typo?
gry 2017-02-27 16:28:54
amnet: I believe you can run the released version and your in-process-of-fixing version alongside, if you tell it to use a custom install directory, so that breaking things in the being-fixed version doesn't interfere with your chat
OS-27315 2017-02-27 16:28:59
100% positive
gry 2017-02-27 16:29:13
OS-27315: repeat after me
gry 2017-02-27 16:29:15
hi
OS-27315 2017-02-27 16:29:21
hi
gry 2017-02-27 16:29:22
/query nickserv
amnet 2017-02-27 16:29:35
gry: Installing any version I can get my hands on isn't the issue.
gry 2017-02-27 16:29:45
OS-27315: then stop repeating after me, and type 'help register' in the new tab that opened (if it did)
OS-27315 2017-02-27 16:29:55
lol
OS-27315 2017-02-27 16:29:57
thanks
gry 2017-02-27 16:30:04
no worries
OS-27315 2017-02-27 16:30:16
I was going back outside the channel to type the command
thumbs 2017-02-27 16:30:24
pfft.
amnet 2017-02-27 16:30:31
Lol.
OS-27315 2017-02-27 16:30:37
Hi.....I'm new
amnet 2017-02-27 16:30:49
Nawww.
OS-27315 2017-02-27 16:32:18
jesus christ
OS-27315 2017-02-27 16:32:22
that was easy
OS-27315 2017-02-27 16:32:27
thanks guys
thumbs 2017-02-27 16:32:33
OS-27315: now check your email to complete your account.
ElikoWikimedia 2017-02-27 16:32:49
Hello, I never verified my IRC over a month ago. As such, I'd like to restart the registration process all over again.
thumbs 2017-02-27 16:32:50
OS-27315: if you don't, it'll automatically expire after 24 hours.
ElikoWikimedia 2017-02-27 16:32:56
I would like the username of Eliko007.
ElikoWikimedia 2017-02-27 16:33:01
Could someone please help me?
gry 2017-02-27 16:33:16
amnet: what's the issue then? I'm again lazy to think. given this context, I don't see any issue at all, other than time and effort
amnet 2017-02-27 16:33:18
Have you changed your nickname to Eliko007 yet?
ElikoWikimedia 2017-02-27 16:33:25
Yes
OS-27315 2017-02-27 16:33:39
all done.
ElikoWikimedia 2017-02-27 16:33:41
Could you help me register and verify this?
amnet 2017-02-27 16:33:51
Do you have an existing NickServ registration or did that expire?
OS-27315 2017-02-27 16:33:54
Hey look! a guy newer than me!
ElikoWikimedia 2017-02-27 16:34:00
It expired
OS-27315 2017-02-27 16:34:04
awwww
amnet 2017-02-27 16:34:06
OS-27315: The relief of all reliefs. :D
ElikoWikimedia 2017-02-27 16:34:06
Unfortunately
gry 2017-02-27 16:34:09
OS-27315: congratulations, your nick is not a bit more yours; thanks for your patience through the process
elky 2017-02-27 16:34:10
ElikoWikimedia: you have already registered but not done the email verification
ElikoWikimedia 2017-02-27 16:34:26
Am I registered as Eliko007?
ElikoWikimedia 2017-02-27 16:34:28
And the verification code doesn't work.
amnet 2017-02-27 16:34:30
ElikoWikimedia: You'll have to change you name back to Eliko007 and do the process all over again.
gry 2017-02-27 16:34:30
OS-27315: now*
ElikoWikimedia 2017-02-27 16:34:32
I've tried
elky 2017-02-27 16:34:34
ElikoWikimedia: someone is as of half an hour ago
amnet 2017-02-27 16:34:41
Oh neverment.
ElikoWikimedia 2017-02-27 16:34:51
It is set as Eliko007
ElikoWikimedia 2017-02-27 16:34:58
But the second option is ElikoWikimedia
ElikoWikimedia 2017-02-27 16:35:11
Could you help me register as Eliko007?
thumbs 2017-02-27 16:35:22
ElikoWikimedia: did you recall your password?
elky 2017-02-27 16:35:25
ElikoWikimedia: you need to /nick eliko007 and then you need to check your email for an email from the freenode system
ElikoWikimedia 2017-02-27 16:35:27
Yes
thumbs 2017-02-27 16:35:45
ElikoWikimedia: identify to your account first, /msg NickServ help identify
eliko007 2017-02-27 16:36:00
I've already done that
eliko007 2017-02-27 16:36:02
and it says my password is invalid
eliko007 2017-02-27 16:36:12
Any way to start over?
thumbs 2017-02-27 16:36:17
eliko007: then you'll have to wait 23 hours for the account to expire.
eliko007 2017-02-27 16:36:27
Any way you can expedite that?
elky 2017-02-27 16:36:42
eliko007: check that you didn't accidentally include the < and >
thumbs 2017-02-27 16:36:44
eliko007: register another nickname for now, and group eliko007 later.
eliko007 2017-02-27 16:36:48
I didn't
eliko007 2017-02-27 16:36:54
okay thanks
Kerr-A 2017-02-27 16:39:54
So... uhhh... Hi freenode. I need help with something I feel terrible for asking. I could type tons of justification as to why, but I REALLY need to make my facebook friends list private. please.... anyone?
Kerr-A 2017-02-27 16:40:08
all the info I can find on it is outdated and doesn't work
swathi 2017-02-27 16:40:45
How do we handle sendkeys on remote machine? I have scenario where I need to select the files from the file dialogue box from any browser, where sendKeys not working as expected on remote machine. any other way to solve this problem is welcome
thumbs 2017-02-27 16:41:01
swathi: is this an autohkeys question?
WilliamC 2017-02-27 16:41:26
Why does freenode keep on disconnecting me?
thumbs 2017-02-27 16:41:34
WilliamC: what is the diconnection error?
swathi 2017-02-27 16:42:03
not sure what is autohkeys .. I need to select the files from the file window dialogue box
WilliamC 2017-02-27 16:42:07
It just says Disconnected (No Such Device of Address)
WilliamC 2017-02-27 16:42:12
err or
thumbs 2017-02-27 16:42:26
sounds like a network issue on your end.
WilliamC 2017-02-27 16:42:40
I'm connected to another network without an issue
WilliamC 2017-02-27 16:42:46
And a game, and Discord
thumbs 2017-02-27 16:42:59
WilliamC: you could have a bad router to the server you're currently on.
thumbs 2017-02-27 16:43:21
WilliamC: try to reconnect and/or using ssl (if not using it already) to see if you get a more stable connection.
WilliamC 2017-02-27 16:43:22
Yeah, thinking that's probably it, I guess I could try specifying one
WilliamC 2017-02-27 16:43:31
I'm using SSL
thumbs 2017-02-27 16:43:35
WilliamC: no, just reconnect to the round-robin
WilliamC 2017-02-27 16:43:56
It seems to be leguin.freenode.net