americanwolf 2017-02-20 07:49:03
HI
thumbs 2017-02-20 07:51:43
sparr: didn't we have that discussion about registering as a group before?
americanwolf 2017-02-20 07:51:51
hi
sparr 2017-02-20 07:52:06
thumbs: you might have been talking to mduller, the person who wants the channel now
KalibRx_ 2017-02-20 07:53:27
Howdy all
genec 2017-02-20 07:55:45
sparr: yep. looks like mduller asked about access 11 days ago. good memory thumbs
thumbs 2017-02-20 07:56:50
sparr: oh, indeed.
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 07:58:31
Why does webchat usermask get applied after an account usermask?
genec 2017-02-20 07:58:43
sparr: but the story is still the same. registration as a project is the means by which to regain control of the channel. though with www.robotbattle.com offline, it might be some work
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 07:58:52
It personally doesn't make any sense seeing as if someone is logged in they can be banned just as well as if they had the IP mask applied.
genec 2017-02-20 07:58:57
R0b0t1: priority
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 07:59:18
Well, yes, but why was the priority chosen as it was or was it simply left unspecified?
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 07:59:26
personally it seems like it would be the latter
genec 2017-02-20 07:59:27
R0b0t1: priority order is group, gateway, unaffiliated. https://freenode.net/kb/answer/cloaks
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 08:00:11
oh huh
thumbs 2017-02-20 08:00:25
R0b0t1: because it allows channel ops to ban the entire gateway if there is abuse from it.
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 08:00:47
thumbs: but presumably a user isn't going to be part of the abuse regardless of where it comes from
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 08:00:52
registered user*
thumbs 2017-02-20 08:01:02
R0b0t1: incorrect assumption.
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 08:01:10
that's why it doesn't seem to make a lot of sense - if there's some mask specified besides it, the user had to ask for it
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 08:01:20
and for that to have happened they must be registered
genec 2017-02-20 08:01:21
R0b0t1: I'm pretty sure I saw something of registered user abuse recently, actually
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 08:02:06
thumbs/genec: not to change the topic suddenly but there is one other mask related question I've tried to ask a few times
genec 2017-02-20 08:02:20
R0b0t1: shoot and we can try
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 08:02:25
there's one or two users with a tor hostmask that is different than the default, and as such they can join channels which filter anonymized users
thumbs 2017-02-20 08:02:27
R0b0t1: some folks abuse the webchat without being registered, and some folks are already registered. The point is that if the webchat is used for abuse substantially, it can be outright banned.
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 08:02:29
how did they obtain that mask?
thumbs 2017-02-20 08:02:40
R0b0t1: what is the user?
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 08:02:44
an example would be SpeedEvil, though I don't mean to single him out - try /whois on him
genec 2017-02-20 08:02:54
R0b0t1: all tor users have a gateway cloak UNLESS they have an affiliated cloak
emerson 2017-02-20 08:03:04
that's a tor project cloak
emerson 2017-02-20 08:03:09
not a gateway cloak
emerson 2017-02-20 08:03:19
he isn't using tor to connect
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 08:03:20
His is different from default. I know this because he is in channels which I was unable to join with the default tor hostmask.
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 08:03:24
ahhh
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 08:03:32
no, I've spoken to him, he is using tor afaik
thumbs 2017-02-20 08:03:39
he could be using tor, too.
genec 2017-02-20 08:03:45
R0b0t1: but affiliated cloak takes priority
emerson 2017-02-20 08:03:48
that's true, i didn't check
thumbs 2017-02-20 08:04:04
a tor dev not using tor would be... funny.
emerson 2017-02-20 08:04:06
but either way, a project cloak would override a gateway cloak
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 08:04:21
emerson: Okay, that fits in with the answers given here already
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 08:04:27
I suppose it should have been obvious :)
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 08:04:48
I also suppose that might be why the tor project offers users a cloak
thumbs 2017-02-20 08:05:47
R0b0t1: yes and no. Most registered groups offer affiliated cloaks for their members.
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 08:05:53
(Aside: I have the same issue with being able to blanket ban tor users as with the gateway mask superceding an unaffiliated mask - the person had to register.)
thumbs 2017-02-20 08:06:05
R0b0t1: the fact that it overrides a gateway cloak is only a small advantage.
genec 2017-02-20 08:06:09
R0b0t1: I've seen project/regular/user on a few people who regularly contribute to such a registered project and are well known in their own community
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 08:06:16
thumbs: it's a huge advantage if you wish to use tor
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 08:06:22
many large channels filter tor users
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 08:06:29
I have no idea why, those users have to register to use tor
genec 2017-02-20 08:06:45
R0b0t1: it's a channel decision
thumbs 2017-02-20 08:06:58
R0b0t1: sometimes, too much abuse is seen from the tor-sasl gateway.
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 08:07:15
made possible by a pretty nonsensical flag that people most likely enable as a kneejerk reaction, not realizing you have to register to be able to use tor...
thumbs 2017-02-20 08:07:16
R0b0t1: and you're far less likely to see such abuse from someone with a project cloak
genec 2017-02-20 08:07:17
R0b0t1: might be out of fear. might be out of abuse. regardless, per-channel decision
genec 2017-02-20 08:08:06
R0b0t1: best suggestion: cut the FUD with fact
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 08:09:18
genec: I was going to set up tor for my network in a couple of days as well as my IRC clients again. I suppose then would be a good time to go talk to the respective channel operators.
genec 2017-02-20 08:10:04
R0b0t1: ie, if you feel a channel is banning gateway/tor/ for seemingly no reason, try talking patiently and respectfully with the channel operators. perhaps they had abuse in the past and might be willing to help with ban exemptions, depending your involvement.
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 08:11:53
genec: I have some vague recollection of trying to do this and some operator simply wishing to not discuss the matter at all (in a rather rude fashion?) but I will try again in a bit
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 08:12:10
... or contribute to a project and get a mask
R0b0t1 2017-02-20 08:12:14
thanks!
preaction 2017-02-20 08:13:39
or just respect their wishes...
devKC 2017-02-20 08:23:14
Hello, I registered for a nickname to be able to chat in particular group, but I still am not able to send a message. Is there a buffer time between registration and confirmation?
Fuchs 2017-02-20 08:23:44
devKC: your current nick doesn't appear to be registered, maybe retry
Fuchs 2017-02-20 08:24:02
if it was for a different nick: we had some mailing issues earlier on, in this case I'd recommend to drop and re-register
devKC 2017-02-20 08:24:54
@Fuchs: is the correct way to register /msg myNickName ....?
Fuchs 2017-02-20 08:25:01
nope
Fuchs 2017-02-20 08:25:14
/msg nickserv register YourPassword AValidEMail@Adre.ss
devKC 2017-02-20 08:25:36
@Fuchs: Ah I see, thank you so much for the clarification!
Fuchs 2017-02-20 08:25:44
you're welcome :)
barq 2017-02-20 08:28:26
What can you do if there's a racist in your channel but no ops are around?
thumbs 2017-02-20 08:29:09
barq: if freenode/staff/* was added to the access list, it usually helps.
thumbs 2017-02-20 08:29:32
barq: have you look at /msg ChanServ access list ##channelhere and looked for folks with +o ?
barq 2017-02-20 08:29:54
Yes, they're not around anymore, unfortunately
thurin 2017-02-20 08:32:02
Could I get an unaffiliated cloak please?
Fuchs 2017-02-20 08:32:19
thurin: having a look
Fuchs 2017-02-20 08:32:34
thurin: yes, there you go, handmade fresh cloak
barq 2017-02-20 08:33:09
thumbs: anything else that can be done?
thurin 2017-02-20 08:33:24
Thanks @Fuchs
Fuchs 2017-02-20 08:33:30
barq: what is the channel?
thumbs 2017-02-20 08:33:32
barq: well, seeing as it's a bit off-topic, perhaps you could ask Fuchs to look at the channel?
Fuchs 2017-02-20 08:33:48
better tell in query
Fuchs 2017-02-20 08:33:56
else I already see the idiot brigade joining :p
barq 2017-02-20 08:34:05
Same
Fuchs 2017-02-20 08:34:29
right, feel free to tell me in privat
Fuchs 2017-02-20 08:34:31
*private
