PacificTouch 2017-02-28 16:45:24
Ether get this person removed or we have a problem
thumbs 2017-02-28 16:45:31
PacificTouch: those can be faked, but if you want to hire a lawyer to threaten the network, you need to leave it first.
PacificTouch 2017-02-28 16:45:36
Simple
luckybunny 2017-02-28 16:45:39
Meanwhile the computer has an off switch
thumbs 2017-02-28 16:45:45
PacificTouch: perfect. Then the command is /quit
asdf373636 2017-02-28 16:45:45
It's funny how internet rhetoric in real life would land some trolls in jail, yet they get away with it online...
PacificTouch 2017-02-28 16:46:01
luckybunny: didn't I tell you to shut the fuck up?
nchambers 2017-02-28 16:46:24
and clearly they have to listen to you when you say that
nate 2017-02-28 16:46:39
Isn't most of the controlling people/involvement still euro-based?
thumbs 2017-02-28 16:46:48
nate: the beauty is that the user has to leave the network first.
PacificTouch 2017-02-28 16:46:54
Well I'm being cyber harassed and no staff are doing anything about it
luckybunny 2017-02-28 16:46:58
PacificTouch: you did, but you don't own the network. I follow the rules, keep myself well within acceptable behaviour parameters
PacificTouch 2017-02-28 16:46:59
Sad
nate 2017-02-28 16:47:01
thumbs: Yeah I know, which of course he won't do because he's trolling, but yeah :P
PacificTouch 2017-02-28 16:47:09
Luckybunny fuck you
luckybunny 2017-02-28 16:47:20
And would not argue if a staffer wants me to butt out
nate 2017-02-28 16:47:21
Also not to ignore the fact that this is the entire point of why IRC has /ignore
nate 2017-02-28 16:47:22
lol
luckybunny 2017-02-28 16:47:59
Also that sounded like a Trump tweet
luckybunny 2017-02-28 16:48:22
I'm being cyber harassed and no staff are doing anything about it. Sad
luckybunny 2017-02-28 16:48:44
#orangeguyproblems
luckybunny 2017-02-28 16:49:32
See y'all soon
KindOne 2017-02-28 16:49:32
luckybunny: s/orangeguy/oompaloompa/
luckybunny 2017-02-28 16:49:49
Cheetobenito
PacificTouch 2017-02-28 16:51:40
Luckybunny you're such a piece of shit low life loser harassing people with fucking Autism. I'm sick of you and your precious staff on #wrongplanet you and a bunch of others left because you have fucking anger issues. You need fucking god damn help asshole because you clearly like to harass people with Autism like Thete does. You ether leave me the fuck alone and I seriously mean it leave me alone
PacificTouch 2017-02-28 16:51:40
and let me live my life and chat or we have a fucking problem. I dealt with you and Thete for long enough and this fucking shit ends today. You have fucking anger issues and take it out on me. Please do me a fucking favor and leave me alone in life. I almost wanted to end my life today because of the fucking fight I got in with my family. You thought that was a joke and laughed. Nothing funny abo
PacificTouch 2017-02-28 16:51:40
ut that! Leave me alone in my life! All I ask for!!!
luckybunny 2017-02-28 16:51:43
I can't drink atm. Office policy
asdf373636 2017-02-28 16:52:00
If it's one thing that was exposed in the past year is how much the internet needs to be regulated, "patriots" acting like kids will cost everyone freedom...
gry 2017-02-28 16:53:16
PacificTouch: your kick message contained an appeal email. I suspect that we are not going to judge the situation here and we ask you to be civil.
PacificTouch 2017-02-28 16:53:35
No fuck this network. Goodbye
luckybunny 2017-02-28 16:53:42
Me and my anger issues are going to go have a smoke and a cup of tea
luckybunny 2017-02-28 16:54:02
Brb
laowai 2017-02-28 16:54:02
mutterirc
Maze23 2017-02-28 16:55:39
i hear 724fq4mo2mg3wjp4.onion/6697 allows free speech...
LjL 2017-02-28 16:59:45
enchi, wow, is this channel always like this after some vaguely fascist POTUS makes a speech?
gentoo 2017-02-28 16:59:52
Is terrence online?
gry 2017-02-28 17:00:25
not right now, gentoo
gry 2017-02-28 17:01:42
LjL, alas a few people here over-react to things as it's a large channel and these people don't always have a good judgment - pointing it out to these people could be useful
laowai 2017-02-28 17:01:44
who is terrence
gry 2017-02-28 17:02:07
it's a nick gentoo knows. gentoo just doesn't know how to /whois, so I checked by hand
norkle 2017-02-28 17:05:22
LOL!
laowai 2017-02-28 17:05:36
norkle: what is
luckybunny 2017-02-28 17:07:19
I have terrible anger issues. You can tell by all the swearing and exclamation marks. I type them so strongly they go right past the visible spectrum
laowai 2017-02-28 17:07:47
stop
LjL 2017-02-28 17:07:48
i don't use a lot of swearing and exclamation marks... well, a bit of swearing
LjL 2017-02-28 17:07:57
but you can usually tell i've gotten VERY angry when you see me start going alyghearföiagrhe<9åht42 +ý th8t4 hå
LjL 2017-02-28 17:08:06
that means i'm hitting the keyboard. no joke.
gry 2017-02-28 17:08:49
luckybunny: if you think your anger issues are not interfering with how the channel is run (the people in it being a bit asocial, mind you, needing special guidance to recognize things), it is completely fine - the judgment of that is on you
luckybunny 2017-02-28 17:09:00
I'm notoriously coolheaded, and I have one of those snarky senses of humour that just has to have a last word that wants to be as funny as possible
luckybunny 2017-02-28 17:09:51
It's why am argument with me never ends... It rapidly goes nowhere though because I just sit and come up with funny remarks
luckybunny 2017-02-28 17:09:55
Lol
Chico30 2017-02-28 17:10:19
funny or dumb
luckybunny 2017-02-28 17:10:24
Both
Chico30 2017-02-28 17:10:36
im thinking more the latter :)
luckybunny 2017-02-28 17:10:40
Depends on the source material and the reader
gry 2017-02-28 17:10:48
luckybunny: people are lazy to think so "Europe is a fine country indeed" may have not sinked in fully from the first moment - I'm sure there was more room for more talking anyway
gentoo 2017-02-28 17:10:51
does freenode offer pop3 email?
gry 2017-02-28 17:11:02
gentoo: no, freenode does not host mail for its users
LjL 2017-02-28 17:11:17
who uses POP3 in 2017 anyway
LjL 2017-02-28 17:13:00
laowai, yes, it's pretty late here
luckybunny 2017-02-28 17:13:01
The V471c4n
LjL 2017-02-28 17:13:02
or early, depending
luckybunny 2017-02-28 17:13:30
(l33t for Vatican)
LjL 2017-02-28 17:13:36
(thank you)
laowai 2017-02-28 17:13:51
lowercaseman: hi
lowercaseman 2017-02-28 17:14:25
Howdy laowai
nate 2017-02-28 17:16:00
ljl: People who like to download their mail more generically than keep copies online?
luckybunny 2017-02-28 17:16:03
Early here
luckybunny 2017-02-28 17:16:12
4:16
LjL 2017-02-28 17:16:16
nate, and IMAP somehow doesn't allow that because...?
gentoo 2017-02-28 17:16:20
LjL: how late?
LjL 2017-02-28 17:16:46
gentoo, why don't you CTCP TIME me like laowai did to find out? heck, why doesn't the entire channel?
nate 2017-02-28 17:17:10
LjL: IMAP was largely more designed for syncronous email, ie; keep copies on the server and access them from various others. Past that, there's no real harm in either protocol, so not sure where the context of asking why anyone would still use POP3 comes from
tx 2017-02-28 17:17:12
LjL: you expect that to be reliable? :)
nate 2017-02-28 17:17:15
it's not like say, SSL vs TLS
nate 2017-02-28 17:17:15
lol
amnet 2017-02-28 17:17:18
Because it uses more bytes than you just saying it.
LjL 2017-02-28 17:17:31
tx, i *know* that to be reliable.
luckybunny 2017-02-28 17:18:08
I know it to be a mite rude
luckybunny 2017-02-28 17:19:13
Unwanted ctcp goes up there near unwanted pms. Some people *really* mind, some people don't. Others couldn't give a flying....
LjL 2017-02-28 17:19:27
nate, IMAP offers push and access from multiple clients, which is not related to the online vs offline preference, and also allows extensions
LjL 2017-02-28 17:19:30
POP3 is simply obsolete
LjL 2017-02-28 17:19:47
luckybunny, it *is* a PM
LjL 2017-02-28 17:20:18
amnet, well, thankfully i don't pay by the bytes i use
nate 2017-02-28 17:20:27
LjL: Like I said, aimed mainly at people who want to preserve them online, not everyone does :P
LjL 2017-02-28 17:20:28
not sure about others, but not my problem either!
lowercaseman 2017-02-28 17:20:34
IMAP may offer PUSH but also may require FETCH, depending on the IMAP provider
carlyanna 2017-02-28 17:20:43
GUYS HERE IS MY SITUATIONN, I AM NEWER TO UBUNTU BUT HAVE BEEN LEARNING AND TRAINING MYSELF THE SYSTEMS FOR MONTHS NOW...I LEARN MUCH AND HAVE MUCH RESPECT FOR EVERYONE HERE, IF ANYONE FEELS LIKE BEING A MENTOR TO TEACH ME NEW THINGS I CANT TELL YOU HOW MUCH I APPRECIATE...right now i just need to knw how to update ym bluetooth driver for my newly installed ubuntu desktop on my lenovo, not having much luckk - any suggestions? spec
LjL 2017-02-28 17:20:48
nate, like i said, those advantages have nothing to do with online preserving
amnet 2017-02-28 17:21:00
LjL: Any attempt to interact with the channel is your problem.
LjL 2017-02-28 17:21:33
lowercaseman, IMAP providers that don't provide push are lame ;(
LjL 2017-02-28 17:21:57
amnet, i did not attempt such a thing.
LjL 2017-02-28 17:22:01
amnet, that said, feel free to carry on in your own endeavors.
lowercaseman 2017-02-28 17:22:02
LjL you are correct on that
laowai 2017-02-28 17:22:03
carlyanna: #ubuntu
norkle 2017-02-28 17:22:09
panels ftw
carlyanna 2017-02-28 17:22:16
laowai no ansers there :(
Speiros 2017-02-28 17:22:30
carlyanna Did you drop the same Capitalbomb?
LjL 2017-02-28 17:22:34
tfw when you disable bluetooth and a moment after, you realize your mouse and keyboard are both bluetooth
luckybunny 2017-02-28 17:22:37
carlyanna: where did the driver come from?
lowercaseman 2017-02-28 17:23:01
carlyanna mentors will be scarce but the community at large is incredible. much to google and chat, install, break and fix
carlyanna 2017-02-28 17:23:19
lowercaseman i know, everyone has been so knowledgeable and amazing
amnet 2017-02-28 17:23:20
s/fix/reinstall
luckybunny 2017-02-28 17:23:27
If it's installed via apt, it should update itself when available.
lowercaseman 2017-02-28 17:23:50
if no drivers exist for you ym bluetooth for Ubuntu may require you to wrap a windows version so it works for Ubuntu
carlyanna 2017-02-28 17:24:05
I was just wondering if there was a way to fix my bluetooth, I enabled it but it is not working
carlyanna 2017-02-28 17:24:23
lowercaseman okay how do I figure that one out, or any suggestions on where to find drivers that work with ubuntu
luckybunny 2017-02-28 17:24:30
If it's something that you downloaded as a .deb, just do that again with the newer version
Gual 2017-02-28 17:24:43
Gayathri: hola
nate 2017-02-28 17:25:26
LjL: You're not really making sense. You state those advantages have nothing to do with online preserving yet multiple-client access is directly related to online preserving. Even if you use IMAP, if you download everything locally to your system and purposely wipe it from the remote mailserver, it's local, you're not gonna access them across multiple clients o.O
nate 2017-02-28 17:25:39
unless you're like running your mailserver locally
nate 2017-02-28 17:25:56
or doing some kind of sync (which would in turn make it not local-only)
lowercaseman 2017-02-28 17:27:01
carlyanna I have only done this for wireless cards, so this will give you an idea as to what to start looking for with bluetooth : http://bit.ly/2lwSHzt
LjL 2017-02-28 17:27:21
nate, it's perfectly possible, thanks to push and multiple-client support combined, to have any received email immediately pushed to all running clients, and then subsequently delete the received email from the server as you no longer need it, if you don't want to keep it online
LjL 2017-02-28 17:27:48
with POP3, if more than one client attempt to access the same mailbox, an error POP(3?)s on in at least one. that is Not Great ®
nate 2017-02-28 17:27:55
LjL: Which again, would largely defeat the purpose of it being local to a single server, also would rely on all clients, as you said, running :P
nate 2017-02-28 17:27:56
wut
nate 2017-02-28 17:27:57
no?
LjL 2017-02-28 17:28:37
many people have something resembling two clients, one on their computer and one on their phone, and they're virtually always both running.
nate 2017-02-28 17:28:39
No idea what backend pop3 software you've used before but I've certainly never ran into any "Oh man only one login allowed at a time" issues :P
LjL 2017-02-28 17:29:26
nate, well, if you have no idea, i can help you
lowercaseman 2017-02-28 17:29:30
carlyanna this may also help : http://bit.ly/2lRAoYm the ask-ubuntu site on stack exchange is also a great resource for all questions you may have
LjL 2017-02-28 17:29:33
"The POP protocol requires the currently connected client to be the only client connected to the mailbox." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_Office_Protocol#Comparison_with_IMAP
LjL 2017-02-28 17:29:45
that sounds pretty crystal-clear to me
nate 2017-02-28 17:30:29
LjL: Yes, because all software follow standards/specs to precision. One sec let me reconnect to freenode on port 194, oh wait...
LjL 2017-02-28 17:30:34
way to move goalposts
LjL 2017-02-28 17:30:37
so we're not really talking about POP3
LjL 2017-02-28 17:30:41
we're talking about whatever shit you think applies
LjL 2017-02-28 17:30:43
okay, nevermind then
LjL 2017-02-28 17:30:44
carry on
nate 2017-02-28 17:31:14
Or we're talking about the fact that craptons of things don't follow protocol to spec, but it's okay, I get it, it contradicts your concerns, so it doesn't count, I gotcha
nate 2017-02-28 17:31:15
:P
LjL 2017-02-28 17:31:47
many, if not almost all, real-life POP3 servers cannot support, by design, several clients connecting at the same time
LjL 2017-02-28 17:31:52
you're acting, and quite possibly being, clueless
carlyanna 2017-02-28 17:31:55
lowercaseman: thank you so much, really awesome of you to give me a couple of pointers
lowercaseman 2017-02-28 17:32:01
carlyanna welcome to ubuntu. it's great, and when you solve something, you'll feel very satisfied and learn tons. you'll come to miss interacting with repos on other platforms. I use Homebrew on my Macs so I can use the repos there for things I would do on Ubuntu. I can't live without little command line utilities that run thousands of times faster than GUI apps.
LjL 2017-02-28 17:32:06
and you are also debating dishonestly by redefining established terms on the go
LjL 2017-02-28 17:32:26
i do not respect you, and now i will go do something more productive, like, nothing at all.
nchambers 2017-02-28 17:32:29
I have yet to see a server that can't handle multiple POP connections, and I deal with them all day long
nchambers 2017-02-28 17:32:47
are you just making things up to sound smart LJL? because thats what it looks like
LjL 2017-02-28 17:33:18
yes, providing citations is "making up things"
carlyanna 2017-02-28 17:33:20
lowercaseman: I know! I had 3 old laptops collecting dust, did some researrch and just figured out how to boot these babies back up with the world of ubuntu and everytime i learn how to do new things i feel like a champ haha!
LjL 2017-02-28 17:33:21
get lost
carlyanna 2017-02-28 17:33:30
Can I ask one more question guys?
LjL 2017-02-28 17:33:33
this is POP3 https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc1939
LjL 2017-02-28 17:33:48
read it and if you want to keep discussing this, shut up until you're done reading it
carlyanna 2017-02-28 17:33:48
is there a way to add this IRC chat to my desktop or download it as an app of some sort
nchambers 2017-02-28 17:33:49
you provided something about the protocol. as nate said, that doesn't always translate to implementations. you're just speculating
gry 2017-02-28 17:34:08
carlyanna: yes - Quassel IRC client could run on many platforms - www.quassel-irc.org
gry 2017-02-28 17:35:12
LjL: most modern POP servers are a bit silly and allow multiple POP connections even though the standard asks not to do that
nchambers 2017-02-28 17:35:17
gmail and office365, which are probably 2 of the biggest mail servers, can handle multiple pop connections just fine, so again, where are you getting your facts from that most servers can't?
amnet 2017-02-28 17:35:29
LjL: You cited WIkipedia. I'm not fond of the term, but that's an obvious troll tactic.
LjL 2017-02-28 17:35:36
gry, that's because most modern POP servers are just frontends to IMAP servers.
gry 2017-02-28 17:35:42
nchambers: maybe we can update the standard to reflect that and the desired behaviour of a POP server under multiple clients load?
LjL 2017-02-28 17:35:49
which was, like, you know, the entire point.
gry 2017-02-28 17:36:02
LjL: err is that new? It sounds a bit ugly
lowercaseman 2017-02-28 17:36:09
carlyanna: yes, you will love quassel. you set up one computer to be your "master" IRC client, almost like a server, then connect to it from your other computers. makes managing IRC much easier.
carlyanna 2017-02-28 17:36:13
gry: thanks a lot! anyone have any idea what would be a good subscription for me here http://shop.linuxnewmedia.com/us/
lowercaseman 2017-02-28 17:36:37
carlyanna, also look for ubuntu user groups in your area. you can usually find them on IRC too.
nchambers 2017-02-28 17:36:40
gry: probably just them making up things agian
LjL 2017-02-28 17:36:50
gry, most providers offer both a POP3 and an IMAP server. they have to be provided by the same server software, or all sort of mess will occur. this means that the logic is IMAP-type, since that's practically a superset of what POP3 offers
carlyanna 2017-02-28 17:36:58
lowercaseman: how do I do that? How can I search?
gry 2017-02-28 17:37:01
LjL: would you please provide a citation for POP3 being a frontend to IMAP?
LjL 2017-02-28 17:37:13
no, not really
LjL 2017-02-28 17:37:23
i have provided citations and idiots are still mocking me for "making up things"
lowercaseman 2017-02-28 17:37:27
carlyanna: here's an ubuntu page with a directory of ubuntu user groups. you
LjL 2017-02-28 17:37:29
so as a matter of fact, you can all fuck off and die
lowercaseman 2017-02-28 17:37:30
oops
nchambers 2017-02-28 17:37:31
you provided citations for the protocol
lowercaseman 2017-02-28 17:37:37
you'll get mentor like help there
gry 2017-02-28 17:37:38
carlyanna: There is plenty of free mailing lists which provide updates on drupal and Linux administration - not personally familiar with any of the resources listed or with your needs at this particular point in time
nchambers 2017-02-28 17:37:39
which is irrelevant as its not followed
gry 2017-02-28 17:37:40
apologies
nchambers 2017-02-28 17:38:00
you provided nothing to back up your claims about implementations
nate 2017-02-28 17:38:25
I've had some arguments over POP3 before but that guy was acting like he wrote the IMAP protocol or something
nate 2017-02-28 17:38:26
lol
gry 2017-02-28 17:38:37
LjL: please ignore their anger management issues - it's a calm gry wishing to know where you saw that particular fact (it is a bit reasonable if a person's mail client doesn't support imap for some reason, but still a little bit odd to layer things on top of eachother like that)
lowercaseman 2017-02-28 17:38:39
carlyanna: yes, just search for quassel and what you need and you'll get instructions on all of it. takes a bit to set up but it's super sweet once it's done. and there are very cool themes too.
nate 2017-02-28 17:38:46
gry: he /part'd
gry 2017-02-28 17:38:50
OK
gry 2017-02-28 17:39:02
Maybe he had a bad day, I'll follow-up later
Disconsented 2017-02-28 17:39:04
carlyanna> #quassel as well
carlyanna 2017-02-28 17:39:17
^?
carlyanna 2017-02-28 17:39:23
lowercaseman: cool
Disconsented 2017-02-28 17:39:33
their channel is here on freenode
lowercaseman 2017-02-28 17:39:51
carlyanna: I'm mostly Mac and iOS, so I use Textual, which syncs my IRC settings via iCloud, so I get a similar experience to quassel on my Macs at least, without all the setup.
carlyanna 2017-02-28 17:40:06
! I just went to https://launchpad.net/~mamarley/+archive/ubuntu/quassel and installed so i can access often - thanks aain for everything
lowercaseman 2017-02-28 17:40:33
carlyanna quassel is like it's own world. enjoy.
Speiros 2017-02-28 17:40:46
Back later.
carlyanna 2017-02-28 17:40:55
but i will still be able t ocome here right???
lowercaseman 2017-02-28 17:41:19
carlyanna: once you connect to Freenode and join the channel, yes.
lowercaseman 2017-02-28 17:42:12
nice thing about IRC is that IRC is just IRC. I can access IRC with my old 1999 Mac.
amnet 2017-02-28 17:43:01
It's not IRC if it has forced PART.
