Freenode Chat Logs: #freenode channel featuring MrElendig, ftth, KindOne, b, gildarts, boubou, and 13 others.

amnet 2017-03-04 08:45:16

Let's call it fair then.

dglambert 2017-03-04 08:45:16

im just vetting my options now

Joseph 2017-03-04 08:45:39

dglambert: people here could try and help you connect, but i would avoid not getting into trouble at work

Joseph 2017-03-04 08:45:44

especially if it could you your job

Joseph 2017-03-04 08:45:56

could cost i mean

dglambert 2017-03-04 08:45:57

So I am using Hexchat using SASL ever since I had to connect via my phone, this has pretty much been my setup for the past several years

Joseph 2017-03-04 08:46:08

mhm

dglambert 2017-03-04 08:46:27

I agree, but I am just doing investigation, cause it seems like there are more than a few ways to accomplish it

dglambert 2017-03-04 08:47:00

I have already investigated Tor and wrote it off since it seemed my employeer could detect I was using Tor

MrElendig 2017-03-04 08:47:26

be glad they havn't fired you already

amnet 2017-03-04 08:47:26

Do you have to use Skype for work?

Joseph 2017-03-04 08:47:38

even if you use bridges, DPI (deep packet inspection) can reveal Tor usage

MrElendig 2017-03-04 08:47:44

don't try to work around company policies

Joseph 2017-03-04 08:47:46

MrElendig 2017-03-04 08:47:54

unless you *want* to be fired and possibly sued to hell and back

Joseph 2017-03-04 08:47:56

i would really caution against this, this kind of stuff can get you fired

amnet 2017-03-04 08:48:14

Your caution is noted.

MrElendig 2017-03-04 08:48:33

and even if you couldn't get fired for it, it would be *highly* immoral

amnet 2017-03-04 08:48:34

That decision can be made after the method is chosen.

amnet 2017-03-04 08:48:48

MrElendig: No it wouldn't.

dglambert 2017-03-04 08:48:49

i think I will likely mount a discussion on how blocking developers from using IRC is counter productive

MrElendig 2017-03-04 08:48:54

yes it would

Joseph 2017-03-04 08:49:17

dglambert: right, but that's something you'd need to pass by corporate first, who would then need to first agree with you, and then have your IT department unblock it

Joseph 2017-03-04 08:49:21

until then...

amnet 2017-03-04 08:49:30

dglambert: If your work requires you to use Skype, Tor can be disguised as Skype traffic.

MrElendig 2017-03-04 08:49:31

dglambert: there are many perfectly valid reasons for not wanting employeers to be able to use random communication protocols

dglambert 2017-03-04 08:49:37

primarily citing the issue of 'interrupting developers'

amnet 2017-03-04 08:49:56

Joseph: Those rules don't apply at tech companies.

dglambert 2017-03-04 08:49:58

amnet, it does

ftth 2017-03-04 08:50:01

amnet 2017-03-04 08:50:11

MrElendig: Of course there are.

MrElendig 2017-03-04 08:50:14

eg IP control

MrElendig 2017-03-04 08:50:25

security, safety

Joseph 2017-03-04 08:50:35

amnet: i have no clue what kind of company dglambert is at, nor is it relevant, really. if it's against policy, that's what there is

amnet 2017-03-04 08:50:44

MrElendig: No, none of those.

amnet 2017-03-04 08:50:52

The only reason is corporate espionage.

Guest22811 2017-03-04 08:50:59

Hey, how do I know what nickname is registered for my email?

dglambert 2017-03-04 08:51:00

well I don't actually know if it is explicitly against policy

amnet 2017-03-04 08:51:07

No other reason to restrict employee communication exists.

ftth 2017-03-04 08:51:10

:-)

MrElendig 2017-03-04 08:51:13

amnet: that falls in under IP controll and security

dglambert 2017-03-04 08:51:23

I just know my hexchat stopped working when on there network

Joseph 2017-03-04 08:51:33

Guest22811: check your e-mail inbox, if you didn't delete it you should have the verification e-mail

ftth 2017-03-04 08:51:33

hah hah hah

amnet 2017-03-04 08:51:42

Joseph: Policy is often highly immoral.

MrElendig 2017-03-04 08:51:48

amnet: non-espionage like people just accidentally giving out info they shouldn't is just as damaging

amnet 2017-03-04 08:52:03

MrElendig: No it doesn't.

MrElendig 2017-03-04 08:52:07

yes it is

MrElendig 2017-03-04 08:52:24

in some cases it is even illegal not to do everything you can to prevent it

Guest22811 2017-03-04 08:52:34

Joseph: why would it a verification email?

Guest22811 2017-03-04 08:52:39

would it have*

Joseph 2017-03-04 08:52:49

Guest22811: you need to verify your nickname on freenode

amnet 2017-03-04 08:52:53

dglambert: Can you confirm that you do not handle classified information on a regular or daily basis at this job?

dglambert 2017-03-04 08:53:02

no clue, im new

Guest22811 2017-03-04 08:53:09

Joseph: the problem is that I don't remember it...

amnet 2017-03-04 08:53:12

HMM.

gildarts 2017-03-04 08:53:31

Restricting an employee's communication at work is hardly immoral.

Joseph 2017-03-04 08:53:37

Guest22811: look at your e-mail inbox, the e-mail freenode sent has the nickname in it

Guest22811 2017-03-04 08:53:55

Joseph: How would freenode send me an email if I never told it to anybody..?

gildarts 2017-03-04 08:54:22

Guest22811: if you ever registered a nick, you had to give them an email.

Joseph 2017-03-04 08:54:32

Guest22811: you're not making much sense. you said "how do I know what nickname is registered for my email?", this implies once upon a time you registered it, which required you giving services the e-mail address, correct?

Guest22811 2017-03-04 08:54:33

yeah, I deleted that email long ago

amnet 2017-03-04 08:54:35

gildarts: I'd agree with you if I wasn't aware of all kind of suppressive methods used by corporations to silence, eg., sexual harassment lawsuits.

Guest22811 2017-03-04 08:54:41

sorry, misunderstood

dglambert 2017-03-04 08:54:44

My simplest solution is using webchat or some other web service irc

Guest22811 2017-03-04 08:54:54

thought you meant it would send me an email right now, so I got confused

ftth 2017-03-04 08:55:08

orly?

gildarts 2017-03-04 08:55:16

amnet: that has nothing to do with being able to use irc, skype, etc from your work computer/from their network.

EatME 2017-03-04 08:55:17

was happenin'

Joseph 2017-03-04 08:55:18

Guest22811: well, staff can send out an e-mail to any address they have on file

amnet 2017-03-04 08:55:31

Until sexual harassment disappears from existence, I'm afraid I'm going to have to disagree with the premise that restricting employee communications is anything but highly immoral.

Joseph 2017-03-04 08:55:36

Guest22811: you can try waiting for a staffer to show up

EatME 2017-03-04 08:55:36

hmmmm

amnet 2017-03-04 08:55:55

And since physics isn't changing any time soon...

Guest22811 2017-03-04 08:55:55

Joseph: how much is the average wait time xD

Joseph 2017-03-04 08:56:11

Guest22811: beats me, it's a weekend, and i asked for a staffer too before, and they all seem to be away

EatME 2017-03-04 08:56:32

how much is too much

gildarts 2017-03-04 08:56:33

amnet: non sequitur much?

dglambert 2017-03-04 08:56:34

Anyway my other thought was using a bouncer or a vps

Joseph 2017-03-04 08:56:46

amnet: so, from IRC being against company policy, we've gone all the way to ... sexual harassment?

dglambert 2017-03-04 08:56:53

lol

Joseph 2017-03-04 08:56:55

amnet: i literally have no clue what you're talking about

dglambert 2017-03-04 08:56:56

rant

EatME 2017-03-04 08:57:00

lol

amnet 2017-03-04 08:57:02

gildarts: Depends on what communication protocols your lawyer users.

gildarts 2017-03-04 08:57:24

amnet: so... talk to them on your phone, or while not at work?

amnet 2017-03-04 08:57:26

Or, more specifically, which communications protocols aren't being deep packet inspected.

Joseph 2017-03-04 08:57:33

amnet: if you're not being serious, please stop wasting the channel's time. this is (among other things) a support channel

amnet 2017-03-04 08:57:56

Then stop trying to get in the way of a discussion to provide support.

dglambert 2017-03-04 08:58:08

amnet, you seem pro irc at work?

ftth 2017-03-04 08:58:14

:-D~~~~~4

amnet 2017-03-04 08:58:26

Nobody's going to drop private customer information on freenode.

amnet 2017-03-04 08:58:40

dglambert: Can confirm.

amnet 2017-03-04 08:58:58

My private rationale is that it boost moral and productivity.

dglambert 2017-03-04 08:59:07

I was considering, as a technical attempt, setting up a vps on a docker

amnet 2017-03-04 08:59:08

boosts morale, even.

dglambert 2017-03-04 08:59:20

lol

amnet 2017-03-04 08:59:29

dglambert: Try for something a little more innocuous.

KindOne 2017-03-04 08:59:43

install LFS

amnet 2017-03-04 08:59:48

My current connection method prevents me from using port 80, for example.

amnet 2017-03-04 09:00:03

So I tried to use a proxy, but HTTPX is blocked too.

dglambert 2017-03-04 09:00:06

innocuous?

amnet 2017-03-04 09:00:25

So I figured I should probably just not try to use the WWW from this zone.

dglambert 2017-03-04 09:00:37

KindOne, lfs?

Joseph 2017-03-04 09:00:42

Linux From Scratch

dglambert 2017-03-04 09:00:53

found it

KindOne 2017-03-04 09:01:01

gildarts: hire me!

amnet 2017-03-04 09:01:22

dglambert: Meaning, don't try to use something that's explicitly forbidden. If you can tunnel through for a specific protocol you want to use and that specific tunneling technology isn't blocked, just work with that.

amnet 2017-03-04 09:02:04

Trying to use more than you actually want would be slightly immoral. (Measured in PPM.)

dglambert 2017-03-04 09:02:10

do why would dockers be a bad choice?

amnet 2017-03-04 09:02:20

SO wide-reaching things like VPS and Tor might be last-resort options.

dglambert 2017-03-04 09:02:26

got it

Joseph 2017-03-04 09:02:44

if dglambert gets fired, we all know who to blame, now

dglambert 2017-03-04 09:02:48

lol

amnet 2017-03-04 09:02:51

For IRC, just try connecting on another port.

Joseph 2017-03-04 09:02:58

...

dglambert 2017-03-04 09:02:59

yeah I tried that

dglambert 2017-03-04 09:03:10

all the typical ones anyway

Joseph 2017-03-04 09:03:18

any simple DPI will see that, even over an SSL/TLS connection

amnet 2017-03-04 09:03:33

Joseph: DPI is immoral.

emo132 2017-03-04 09:04:08

where can i ask questions about wpa2?

Joseph 2017-03-04 09:04:13

amnet: again, I'm on Tor, you are preaching to the choir. but frankly, if my job were on the line, i'd hold out a few hours till i came back home and i'd chat to my heart's content

fish-bulb 2017-03-04 09:04:15

how do I find a list of ops in a channel

Joseph 2017-03-04 09:04:22

fish-bulb: /msg ChanServ access #channel list

Joseph 2017-03-04 09:04:29

emo132: try ##networking and ##security

fish-bulb 2017-03-04 09:04:31

thanks Joseph

m1n1m3 2017-03-04 09:04:37

its me or its a bit lag while nickserbv

m1n1m3 2017-03-04 09:04:48

ah, cool

emo132 2017-03-04 09:04:52

Joseph: thanks

amnet 2017-03-04 09:04:53

Joseph: That's also a viable option.

dglambert 2017-03-04 09:05:08

Joseph, yeah my argument is it is directly for work

amnet 2017-03-04 09:05:18

I'm not saying he SHOULD use IRC from work, just that that option shouldn't be expressly forbidden for no reason.

boubou 2017-03-04 09:05:21

hola

m1n1m3 2017-03-04 09:05:26

english

amnet 2017-03-04 09:05:29

There should be a clear and direct reason behind every protocol restriction.

boubou 2017-03-04 09:05:31

boubou 2017-03-04 09:05:34

french ?

KindOne 2017-03-04 09:05:36

amnet: why irc from work, people love slack!

m1n1m3 2017-03-04 09:05:36

P: hola

dglambert 2017-03-04 09:05:46

yeah, phonies

dglambert 2017-03-04 09:05:47

lol

amnet 2017-03-04 09:05:56

KindOne: Slack has IRC gateway.

KindOne 2017-03-04 09:06:07

amnet: i know.

m1n1m3 2017-03-04 09:06:12

one KindOne

m1n1m3 2017-03-04 09:06:19

for 4 Kind5

boubou 2017-03-04 09:06:21

how can I know who can ask for vhost on a chan ?

amnet 2017-03-04 09:06:57

dglambert: If using a web frontend for IRC works, feel free to use any tunneling protocol as a workaround.

dglambert 2017-03-04 09:07:06

m1n1m3 2017-03-04 09:07:10

¿?

amnet 2017-03-04 09:07:13

(Also: Don't start a botnet.)

Joseph 2017-03-04 09:07:23

"Also: Don't start a botnet."

m1n1m3 2017-03-04 09:07:25

i started one today :]

Joseph 2017-03-04 09:07:28

you don't say

KindOne 2017-03-04 09:07:34

boubou: can you re-word that?

m1n1m3 2017-03-04 09:07:39

yeah

boubou 2017-03-04 09:08:05

how can we get a custom vhost ?

m1n1m3 2017-03-04 09:08:10

boubou using a cloak doesnt meant its a privacy tool

boubou 2017-03-04 09:08:21

cloak

boubou 2017-03-04 09:08:23

yes

dglambert 2017-03-04 09:08:25

amnet, like what

dglambert 2017-03-04 09:08:33

like vps?

m1n1m3 2017-03-04 09:08:38

yes the cloak

KindOne 2017-03-04 09:08:47

boubou: freenode does not hand out custom vhosts

m1n1m3 2017-03-04 09:08:55

if you wanna be ok be like me: no cloak no vps no root domain

boubou 2017-03-04 09:08:57

KindOne cloaks

KindOne 2017-03-04 09:09:12

still dont hand out custom cloaks

m1n1m3 2017-03-04 09:09:14

or choose 1/3 2/3 3/3

Joseph 2017-03-04 09:09:23

boubou: yes, vhosts and cloaks are the same on freenode. freenode doesn't give out personalized ones

boubou 2017-03-04 09:09:32

no ?

Joseph 2017-03-04 09:09:34

boubou: staff do provide unaffiliated ones

boubou 2017-03-04 09:10:06

I thought that staff on a chan can ask for that

amnet 2017-03-04 09:10:17

Can't you but personalized ones?

boubou 2017-03-04 09:10:24

yes

amnet 2017-03-04 09:10:25

s/t/y/2

m1n1m3 2017-03-04 09:10:35

change cloak for tor, vps for free/hacked shell and domain for free dns

bigpresh 2017-03-04 09:10:44

have a read of https://freenode.net/kb/answer/cloaks

m1n1m3 2017-03-04 09:10:46

eh *free* nothing hacked stills

dglambert 2017-03-04 09:11:05

oh well, I'm done with this for now, thanks for the entertainment

dglambert 2017-03-04 09:11:06

cheers

Joseph 2017-03-04 09:11:19

dglambert: bye, best of luck ... and don't get fired ;-)

dglambert 2017-03-04 09:11:32

I will tread carefully ;)

amnet 2017-03-04 09:12:39

(Don't get fired if it pays well.)

KindOne 2017-03-04 09:13:30

NO JOB FOR YOU!

amnet 2017-03-04 09:13:53

(Also: No insider trading. I will personally call the FCC.)

KindOne 2017-03-04 09:14:03

you mean the SEC ...

m1n1m3 2017-03-04 09:14:07

cloaking works well for IRC discretion

m1n1m3 2017-03-04 09:14:19

i would set it "auto" but tor...

b 2017-03-04 09:14:50

Until it doesn't work. Which is why better methods exist.

Joseph 2017-03-04 09:15:06

such as Tor, or a VPN/VPS

m1n1m3 2017-03-04 09:15:26

its the same a shell with a znc

m1n1m3 2017-03-04 09:16:14

the essential is 1 bg

m1n1m3 2017-03-04 09:16:52

so if you get ashell here probably will come with a cloak > will override unffiliated

voldo 2017-03-04 09:21:09

hi, i used this nickname on freenode but seems the account was droped and i wonder if i could ask for a cloak here

keviv 2017-03-04 09:34:38

How do I change my sasl password again?

voldo 2017-03-04 09:34:39

im doing a few tricks in order to set DNS - otherwise i'll return another day, have a nice day

amnet 2017-03-04 09:34:49

Joseph: If you can find an applicable channel with >90 users to discuss it in, I can talk about DPI alternatives.

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cyberdyne 2017-03-04 09:38:11

KindOne 2017-03-04 09:38:42

keviv: in the irc client? what irc client?

keviv 2017-03-04 09:39:03

KindOne: no, with freenode

keviv 2017-03-04 09:39:17

I might be misremembering how sasl works

KindOne 2017-03-04 09:39:23

keviv: see /msg nickserv help set password

keviv 2017-03-04 09:39:51

keviv 2017-03-04 09:39:57

KindOne: thanks

dopefish2112 2017-03-04 09:40:11

KindOne 2017-03-04 09:40:34

dopefish2112 2017-03-04 09:40:43

how are we doing today?

voldo 2017-03-04 09:40:50

hah

voldo 2017-03-04 09:40:54

hello KindOne

KindOne 2017-03-04 09:42:18

dopefish2112: no idea

dopefish2112 2017-03-04 09:42:27

why not?

KindOne 2017-03-04 09:42:37

idk if its day or night!

dopefish2112 2017-03-04 09:42:45

go outside?

KindOne 2017-03-04 09:44:37

wont matter, its sunlight 24/7 in antartica.. for a few more days

dopefish2112 2017-03-04 09:44:37

so can soneone help me with an error i get when i try to join a channel?

dopefish2112 2017-03-04 09:44:43

oh shit

KindOne 2017-03-04 09:44:47

what error?

dopefish2112 2017-03-04 09:44:50

Cannot join channel (+r) - you need to be identified with services

KindOne 2017-03-04 09:45:02

see /msg nickserv help register

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